Monday, June 20, 2005

The Last One from Me...

It has become apparent over the past few weeks that James Young reads the blog over here ar Too Conservative more than anyone else in the Commonwealth. While I do appreciate someone paying attention to what we are saying it has begun to upset me some that he feels the need to constantly attack our values and refer to us as "PWC Squishes". Well let's set a few things straight for Mr. Young. (Editor Note: While I can speak for myself and Too Conservative on this one I do not know Mitch outside of his online/blog persona. TC and I have come to very much respect Mitch's views on the blog's pertaining to VA Politics, so we invited him to join. Therefore I will not speak on his behalf in this post.) 1.) Neither myself or TC live in Prince William County. While I did at one point and members of my family continue to live in PWC I am no longer a resident. TC has never lived in PWC. This would be why our Blog's subtitle is "A NOVA Republican viewpoint on statewide politics" and does not refer to PWC. From now on if we are to be referred to as "Squishes" please give the appropriate location. 2.) TC and myself have extremely different views on many of the issues impacting our party and our state. He tends to be much more "conservative" on social issues while I would love to eliminate the government from anything in our lives outside of schools, roads, and police. Combine our views and you would have a borderline theocratic anarchist... Might be a little scary. From now on when referring to us as “Squishes” please point out to who you are referring and in what area; social or fiscal. 3.) Mr. Young continues to feel the need to attack people he deems moderate on a regular basis. If he feels that accusation is false then he should simply look at how he links to our Blog from his. We as a party must welcome different view points in as much as possible. If we feel the need to have the “small tent” mentality and attack Republicans that are successful then we will soon lose the majority. I for one will trust the majority of people with a R next to their name more then most D’s. Mr. Young however feels the need to attack people with R’s on a regular basis. I am interested good sir on when you will run for office and be victorious in that pursuit. Pounding ideology into the ground does you no good if you are never even close to being in a position to affect policy. I am even more interested on the last time you chose to have a civil conversation with any elected official you disagree with in hopes of changing their views on the issues you feel are important. With that being said I choose to no longer comment on anything Mr. Young says until he shows respect to his fellow Republicans.

20 Comments:

At 6/20/2005 04:19:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

First of all, an apology to Too Conservative and MR JMS. It was not my intent to bring controversy with me. I was drawn to this site because I like what these gentlemen have say and I was intrigued by the idea of a blog devoted to NOVA politics. I'm well aware of the fact that neither is from PWC and my intent was/is to offer my own personal insights from my separate but neighboring corner of the world.

The rhetoric is getting a bit out of hand. I will admit that I've made some comments in the past that could be construed as "personal attacks." In the future, I will try to refrain from doing so and ask that other commentors do the same. I will, however, continue to comment on issues I feel strongly about and, when necessary, speak out against public servants that I feel are incorrect in the administration of their duties.

I'm sure that if the three of us got together (TC, MR JMS and I), we'd disagree on a number of issues. But interested readers should be able to hear our unique perspectives without having to wade through unneccessary, and often offensive, diatribes.

So, on with the honest debate.

 
At 6/20/2005 04:23:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

You're hilarious. Dems masquerading anonymously as Republicans to water down the Republican message. That is, unless you're a Republican who hates me. In that case, you should obviously reveal your identity so that we can have a level playing field, and I can attack you on the same basis that you launch your attacks on me.

As for your representations:

1. Really!?! I don't believe you. And you spend so much time attacking me, it is doubtful anyone else does. And if what you say about yourself is true, then I guess you're probably Scott Hirons (though maybe not). Of course, if you are Scott, then I would be noting your ingratitude for those occasions when I aided you, like when you were too incompetent to get sufficient signatures (125 registered voters) to get your name on the ballot, and I greased the way for an alternative nomination method in the PWC County Committee. Or the time that I opposed Dan Berrios' efforts to switch to the Supervisor's race when his race for the GOP nomination for state senate wasn't going so well (I didn't think it fair to you, and said so).

2. As someone other than myself anonymously observed early on, this is clearly the web refuge for sore loser Connaughtonites. Hence, the "squishes" label. Beats "liars."

3. And how and where is it that I attacked you, mr jms? I don't know if I've even used the word "moderate" since last Tuesday. Hey, at least I did you the courtesy of linking to your blog, so that people who read mine can read yours, too, and make up their own minds.

Wouldn't be nearly as easy to slander me if your readers could see for themselves, would it?

And finally, as to "respect," you get it when you earn it, and when you attach your own name to your attacks upon me.

When you act like a coward by hiding in anonymity, don't be surprised when some people conclude that it's not an act.

 
At 6/20/2005 04:24:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Note: the last was not directed at Mitch (who has earned a little respect lately). Mitch posted between the time I read the post in chief and the time I hit "Login and Publish."

 
At 6/20/2005 04:52:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Mitch- You're good to go. We wouldn't have invited you on if we did not value your opinions.


Ok. I know I said I wouldn't respond to Mr Young, but I have too.

1.)If I was Scott Hirons then why would I log in under a psuedoname in one instance and sign another post with my real name? And why would I take the time to lie about where I live?

2.)Yes we all supported Chairman Connaughton. That does not mean we do not all have different views on how things should operate in our state. Is Reverend Roberts a squish as well? Delegates Rapp and Saxman?

3.)I never said you attacked me. I simply commented on your position with Moderate Republicans. And by the way, you used the term Moderate at 12:19pm today on your blog in a post about the three of us over here.


So, with that I encourage you Mr. Young to continue to post on our Blog as we enjoy different opinions. But please show a little respect.

 
At 6/20/2005 05:16:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

1. To answer your question, I don't know why. But then, I don't know why someone would believe that they could be taken seriously under a pseudonym. I don't pretend to understand a lot of the things you apparently believe that are represented by posting anonymously.

2. I don't know enough about Rapp and Saxman to comment. I do know that Robertson hasn't been as sharp since Ralph Reed left the Christian Coalition. BTW, just because I characterize myself as a "conservative," don't expect me to genuflect when you invoke Robertson's name. The fact that he supported Connaughton probably impressed me no more than the fact that Falwell supported Baril impressed you (or me, for that matter).

3. Oooh, so that's what set you off. Touchy, touchy! Quite a row to set off over a mischievous link. BTW, Mitch posted something today claiming to be a "moderate" over on my site. Ya wanna cool down, now?

AND "Show a little respect"!?!?!

Here's a little sampling of things on your own blog that didn't provoke such a comment:

At 8:37 AM on Jun 16 2005, MR JMS said a "desperately crave attention"

Insults were hurled at me by pachyderm princess and mitch's wife on the same thread, yet MR JMS didn't feel the need to admonish anyone to "show a little respect."

Methinks I doth detect a double standard.

 
At 6/20/2005 07:32:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

oops - you were wrong on that one Jim, at least you didn't hang your hat on it. Although Mr. JMS' bio isn't too different than my own.

I am grateful for any help I receive, but do not feel the need nor will I hold back retaliation when friends and those whom I support come under attack.

So thank you for your help! And keep guessing on Mr. JMS’ true idenity – could it be Mark Felt Jr.?

 
At 6/20/2005 08:03:00 PM, Blogger patb05 said...

NOVA Republicanism is where its at!

 
At 6/20/2005 09:14:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Speaking of identities, anyone have any idea who "Mitch's Wife" is? She seems like a nice enough gal, considering I've never me her.

 
At 6/20/2005 09:18:00 PM, Blogger Norman said...

"Theocratic anarchist."

Now that made me laugh out loud :)

 
At 6/20/2005 09:31:00 PM, Anonymous Pachyderm Princess said...

Oh my goodness. Enough already! James Young is boring. Discussing him is boring. Arguing with him is boring...and pointless. With all that is going on in VA politics, is James Young the most interesting thing we could be discussing? Move On! That goes double for you Mr. Young.

 
At 6/20/2005 09:36:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Thought someone would find that amusing Norman.

 
At 6/20/2005 09:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 6/20/2005 09:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 6/20/2005 11:46:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Alright guys lets not cross the line with your comments.

 
At 6/21/2005 06:50:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James, given that I agree with these "squishes" more than your posts, does that mean you want to drive me out of the Republican party too?

Maybe there's some kind of weird bloggers ettiquette going on here, but frankly I could care less that they're anonymous. I could care less that you're not.

 
At 6/21/2005 08:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boo! We want to know what Jim Young said in the removed posts!

 
At 6/21/2005 09:30:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Well, Scott, I'm glad to see you don't post anonymously. For what it's worth, that elevates you somewhat in my esteem (and I'll save you the trouble of denying that you care).

And pachprinc, apparently so. To be sure, I probably am too sensitive and respond to too much when I am attacked. But you apparently can't ignore me.

And "mitch," pardon my surmise, though I doubt I actually made the connection other than the one made by your pseudonyms.

As for mr jms' last, it's refreshing to learn to see that you can take some constructive criticism.

Anon 6:50 -- I don't want to drive anyone out of the GOP. That is one of the big lies that my critics like to throw out there. After all, I've supported plenty of "squishes" in my day, when they win the GOP nomination. Even a few for the nomination (some would qualify my support of Steve Baril as such). But I think it's appropriate to identify those who hold Republican values (low taxes; less government), and those who don't. But I'd really love it if you'd identify where you disagree with me.

And finally, Anon 8:16, I don't post anonymously, and I only remove posts to correct factual/grammatical/punctuation errors. So the deleted comments aren't mine.

 
At 6/21/2005 10:39:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

I removed the post because the individuals made inappropriate comments about others posting.

We will not allow crude language and slander to be used to attack posters on our blog. Especially when you post anonymously. I disagree with Mr. Young and the psuedoname argument, but agree with him on people posting Anon.

 
At 6/21/2005 11:32:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Responding to mr jms, I will say that at least people posting under a consistent pseudonym create a kind of record. I'll resist the urge to offer the analogy that comes to mind, since it's bound to offend someone, perhaps everyone.

 
At 6/21/2005 11:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any blog that this guy Young hasn't invaded?

PS - Does he have a job? He is always posting in the middle of the day.

 

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