Monday, August 08, 2005

The Century Mark....

Riley put it best "....and the century mark is reached with debate still going strong!" Check out the thread that will never die as the debate on PWC politics continues. One thing is for sure, alot of people will be waiting to see what Connaughton and Mabie decide in two years. If both leave the PWC scene than we will have alot of jockeying for offices and maybe a new face or two emerge from the pack. The Big Scenarios and Questions.... Does chairman Connaughton stick around? Run for the Senate? Go statewide again? Who would like to see a Connaughton vs. Fitzsimmonds primary for Senate? Could we have a CCCN vs PWTPA primary for Chairman? Could we have a Jane Beyer vs Jim Young primary for the Dumfries Supervisor seat if Maureen runs for Chairman? What about a Mike May vs Corey Sturat vs John Gray primary for the Occoquan Supervisor seat? Or even Michelle McQuiqq vs Wally Covington primary for Clerk of Court? What about the Smith family? Alex Venegas? Michael Zeiders? Jim Riley? Or, maybe even one of the Gordon's? Will we ever see PWTPA put another formidable candidate up after the Chapman escapade? What if Tom Davis retires in 2008? Will the PWC GOP make-up so a PWC resident can win the nomination?

18 Comments:

At 8/08/2005 01:37:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

To answer the question regarding me, I've said it before and I'll say it here: I will never run for anything ever again.

'Cept to catch a cab.

 
At 8/08/2005 01:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone knows what Connaughton will do next, but I think it is safe to say that whatever he decides to do, his loyal Kool-Aid drinkers will follow him. Personally I would rather see another stab at statewide office than to see him go to the state senate (which is surely a step down from Chairman).

 
At 8/08/2005 08:56:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

Jim, I do take offense of your comments regarding hero's and those who wear the uniform of this country. I don't think the term hero should be thrown out lightly, but anyone who is willing to wear the uniform of the United States and stand a chance to perform the duties for which they were trained which may very well require paying the ultimate sacrifice is a hero in my book. Regardless of their job, you've got to understand, anyone who has volunteered to serve you and me deserves our utmost respect. If that requires us to consider them heroic then so be it.

I wore the uniform of the United States Marine Corps for the better part of 8 years. Now granted I served in the majority of my contract in active Reserves at Anacostia Naval Station kicking boxes around the drill deck. However during Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom my former unit has lost a couple of Marines and has had many combat injured. Hearing of these young men and women really opened my eyes and made me realize what I didn't while serving . . .how close to giving the ultimate sacrifice I was. Now, do I consider myself a "hero" for having served and kicked boxes around . . .absolutely not, but for me I do consider those in uniform, regardless of their job or their present or past duty heroes - because of what they potentially face.

Sorry for getting worked up about this and going on, but please choose your words carefully.

Also if your vision of leadership and service is so steadfast and cannot be wronged, then why do give up now? On running for office that is? The one thing I wished was that folks like yourself who are quick to criticize many others seldom step up when the time is yours. I do applaud you for attempting twice. I'd love to see you to continue to try to one day prove the naysayers, squishies (or whatever you want to call us) wrong.

 
At 8/09/2005 02:22:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Mike May should undoubtidly run for Chairman.

 
At 8/09/2005 02:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TC, tell us more about why Mike May should run for Chairman.

 
At 8/09/2005 02:54:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Take it over to the thread that will never die.

 
At 8/09/2005 06:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TC, that sort of comes out of nowhere. I mean, don't you think May should start smaller than Chairman? On the other hand, I guess Connaughton had no prior elected office before he ran in 1999. And, of course, I assume you mean May should run if Sean doesn't run again, right?

 
At 8/10/2005 10:08:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Scott, why you would "take offense" is a mystery to me, and strikes me as someone who's just looking for an excuse to "take offense," especially since I did "choose my words carefully." I agree that "anyone who has volunteered to serve you and me deserves our utmost respect," obviously because of the fact that putting on the uniform entails the possibility that someone's going to take a shot at you, and they certainly get respect from me. Nothing in my comment suggests otherwise.

But I don't agree that such an individual is a "hero" by virtue of that fact alone. Neither to I agree that such a credential alone -- compared to other parts of their record -- entitles them to our "utmost" -- apparently here, "unlimited and unconditional" respect. Would you call Lt. William Calley of the My Lai massacre a "hero"? By the standard you assert, it appears that the answer is "yes." How about Ollie North?

As for your question as to why I will never again run for public office --- I'll not respond to your prefatory caricature --- I have a number of reasons: (a) the look on my daughter's face when I lost, one I don't wish to risk seeing on my sons' faces; (b) the time it took away from my family; (c) the fact that people who personally owed me were quick to betray me; and (d) any number of other reasons. Perhaps I'm too thin-skinned, too. I greatly appreciate the thousand or so who voted for me each time, and those who supported me with their time and their "filthy lucre," to quote Bob Marshall. But why waste my time and energy on such an endeavor when I have many other better things to do than, inter alia, pander for the support of ingrates with whom I labored in the vineyard? Unlike some, I hardly believe that the highest calling is elective office. In fact, for many who claim and seek it, I have become more and more convinced that it is not the call of public service that they hear, but the call of personal power. Particularly those who have never been willing to go down in flames on a losing but principled cause.

And as for the other comments, please advise as to what qualifies Mike May for Chairman. Seems like a decent enough fellow, but what has he ever done to qualify him for that position? I mean, aside from being a Tom Davis loyalist, which, I understand it, is enough for some people.

 
At 8/10/2005 06:59:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

Jim,

Fair enough. I have no interest in arguing that which can chalked up as agree to disagree. You make valid points. Of course you could have also thrown in the coward who chucked a couple gernades in his officers' tent at the beginning of this war.

Ditto for running for office and I can agree with all the points except for a. My kids were too young to know what was really going on. They were just happy to enjoy pizza on election night!

 
At 8/11/2005 02:10:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

"you could have also thrown in the coward who chucked a couple gernades in his officers' tent at the beginning of this war."

Could have, but couldn't remembers his name. I'm pretty sure I'm glad, and hope that it reflects the obscurity that he deserves notwithstanding his infamous act.

 
At 8/11/2005 02:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So are we allowed to post over here or no? I was hoping for more discussion about JMS's questions.

 
At 8/11/2005 03:41:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Discuss those ideas.

 
At 8/11/2005 03:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Riley seemed to want discussion directed towards the other thread, but I thought you had some intriguing ideas over here.

I'll go out on a limb and start. Did you mean to ask whether Davis would retire or move on in 2008? I don't see him leaving public life if you meant retire, but moving on is always a possibility given his Senate aspirations. I don't see anyone in PW's portion of the 11th being attractive enough to win over the Fairfax voters to get the nomination. Maybe if Connaughton moved to the 11th.

 
At 8/11/2005 04:25:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Remember- You do not have to live in a District to run for Congress for it.

And I think Davis gets stomped in 2008 by Gilmore in a primary or convention.

 
At 8/11/2005 05:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that just something people say, or are there actually Congressmen from this area (I say that intentionally because I know many Congressmen represent other states but actually live in this area and their kids go to school in this area, etc) who live outside of their own districts?

 
At 8/11/2005 09:08:00 PM, Anonymous marty nohe said...

It's right in the U.S. Constitution.

Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 2: "No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen."

Nothing about districts at all. In fact, back in the day, states could choose to have their house members serve "at large".

"Congressional districts" became the rule during reconstruction to prevent a state from choosing all of their delegation from a small, localized pool of fat cats, most of whom might have been carpetbaggers.

The very first computers were clockwork adding machines used to tabulate the census, and were invented in the mid 19th century. Before then, the census was merely a state by state "head count" and did not include enough detailed information to determine how many people lived in a particular county or town for example, and therefore, drawing districts that were the same size would have been nearly impossible.

In 2002, Tom Davis' opponent was a fellow named Frank Creel who ran as on the Howard Phillips Constitution Party ticket and who DID NOT live in the 11th district. The Davis campaign wisely decided that making an issue of his lack of residency would do more to increase Creel's name ID than it would to diminish his credibility, so nothing was ever made of it and few people knew about it. But it was perfectly legal and his petitions were certified by the Board of Elections. (Tom got something like 83% of the vote.)

That being said, I suspect that there are not more than a very small handful of congressmen who have lived outside their district in the modern era, except insofar as many of them really "live" in the D.C. area and only go "home" just after Labor Day in election years.

 
At 8/12/2005 11:54:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Fact is living outside of one's district would not be very practical. You could have someone such as a Connolly or a Connaughton run from outside the 11th or 10th for the seat and win. I would use the justification that they represent a significant portion of each and have had electoral success as Chairman of their respective counties. However, I would suspect that a campaign promise to move into the district would have to be made during the campaign for any such success to be possible.

You also heard alot of this concept back in 2004 during the Texas re-districting when Dem Incumbents were trying to decide what district they should run in.

 
At 2/02/2006 01:49:00 PM, Anonymous Robert said...

I think Kim Hosen should run for BOS Chairman if that'll get her off the planning commission.

Click here to see her in action:

http://home.earthlink.net/~rmolleur/

 

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