Thursday, August 04, 2005

I'm a little verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves..I'll give you a topic:

Saturday Night Live's "Coffee Talk" "The 2007 Elections are neither elections nor will they be decided in 2007." The comments posted here strayed into some interesting territory and I thought they were deserving of their very own thread. What do you think the future holds for Sean Connaughton, Maureen Caddigan and the rest of the Prince William County GOP field? Who do you see jockeying for what right now? As Mike Myers playing Linda Richman would say, "Discuss!!!"


At 8/04/2005 01:21:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

My guess is that Sean will run for Colgan's Senate seat, not Congress. In any case, it is highly unlikely that he will seek re-election to the BOCS, though he'd win in a landslide.

The race to replace Connaughton will be very interesting. At this point, I don't see any viable Dems out there to seriously challenge the GOP nominee, so the fight will be in the primary (assuming that's the format). My guess is that one of the Caddigan/Covington/Nohe coalition will face off against Stirrup. If he chooses to run, I'd support Nohe. Maureen and Wally would also be excellent successors. If only one of these three chooses to run and, along with Connaughton, continue to support each other, there's your winner. If, however, there is a split within this group, it could be a much closer and more interesting contest.

At 8/04/2005 01:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Connaughton, Covington, Caddigan and Nohe don't run for anything in order to turn the reigns of power over to Jim Young, Bob FitzSimmonds, Rick Hendrix, and Denny Daugherty. Connaughton, Covington, Caddigan and Nohe then start a letterwriting campaign about the RINOs Young/ Fitzsimmonds/ Hendrix/ Daughterty for their inability to build roads and schools and add policemen and firemen without using money. Young/ Fitzsimmonds/ Hendrix/ Daughterty counter by saying that these programs really don't cost money because they said so. The Democrats sit back and let the GOP destroy itself. Not another Republican is elected again in PWC, with the exception of Steve Chapman who finds God upon his release from prison and converts to the Democrats.

At 8/04/2005 01:55:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Good analysis, Mitch.

So, what happens downballot?

Who do we have on-deck in Dumfries / Brentsville / Coles if any of those three run? What about in Gainesville? Does Jenkins retire in Neabsco and/or Barg in Woodbridge and we get a shot at an open seat? What about Corey in Occoquan? Does he get a primary challenge? Does he go for higher office?

Anyone have any thoughts on these races?

At 8/04/2005 02:02:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

That's funny, Anon 1:49. I like it. The only thing that would have made it funnier was if you said that despite no Republicans being elected again that the Democrats couldn't take advantage of the situation and didn't even run anyone. Given the average age of Democrat office holders in PWC is over 70 and one of their last countywide elected officials was just indicted this past week on two felony counts, it wouldn't have been too far from the truth that they wouldn't be able to find anyone.

At 8/04/2005 02:03:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Mitch, welcome back!
-TC's ananlysis=
Connaughton runs again for Lt.Gov OR Attorney General. Otherwise, if Tom Davis somehow resigns to run for Senate or is elected, Sean moves into his district to run. I believe Connaughtons the only republican who has a chance against Gerry.
-I've heard Nohe say he would be interested in becoming Chairman.I like Marty a great deal, he seems honest, and a true conservative by old-school Buchanan standards.
-Corey Stewart is politically dead, and will be voted out of office. He might try to primary Connaughton, which will be unsuccessful.
-Hirons is still pretty active, maybe another run?
-FitzSimmonds and Stewart were idiots to go against Sean. I believe they will take some slack in their future "political lives".
-I do not see any combination of Nohe/Caddigan/COvington running against each other. They are all too good friends , and seem like they would work it out.

At 8/04/2005 02:06:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Scott Hirons has moved to Stafford.

At 8/04/2005 02:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Maureen has seniority out of the three you mentioned. Heck, every other GOPer in the mix is a freshman on the Board. She's also Vice Chairman now and, after Sean, probably has the highest profile and best name recognition of any supervisor. My money would be on her for Chairman.

At 8/04/2005 02:22:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Save for supporting "Big Marty" -- who demonstrated his competence in actually running something by mishandling one or two County GOP conventions -- I agree with Mitch's comments. I suspect Connaughton would be reelected more for a lack of competition than out of popularity, though.

As for Coward ... er, Anon 1:49, how 'bout revealing your identity, so that the reader might compare your record with those you slander? 'Specially since you're talking about those who probably did more to bring the County GOP to its current prominence than you ever did.

And you, Jim, right when you start to make sense occasionally, there you go and encourage him or her, even though the people he or she slanders were electing Republicans against Democrats, rather than supporting Republicans who act like Democrats, before you ever got here.

At 8/04/2005 02:28:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

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At 8/04/2005 02:30:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Jim, I was being sarcastic towards Anon 1:49. Besides, it never hurts to feed the opponent's delusions of grandeur. Notice how right after I said "I like it" that I went on to show just how devoid their supposed alternative party is.

At 8/04/2005 02:32:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

OK, OK. Sarcasm is sometimes lost in the blogosphere. I stand corrected.

At 8/04/2005 03:28:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Connaughton either goes statewide again or he is done.

Fitzsimmonds runs for Colgan's seat. Who from the CCCN wing of the party rivals him I do no know.

Covington wants to be clerk, but steps out of the race for McQuigg. McQuigg is elected Clerk.

Stewart replaces McQuigg in HOD.

Mike May replaces Stewart on the Board.

Nohe gets the nod for Chairman because Connaughton endorses him over Caddigan.

Alex Venegas takes Nohe's seat on the Board.

So, your board in 2007 is:

Nohe- Chair

That is the predictions from JMS. I give tmy prediction a 1-50 shot. Think Vegas will take my bet?

At 8/04/2005 04:29:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Good calls, MR JMS.

If Sean doesn't run for Senate, my guess is that Lucy Beauchamp runs instead. The conservatives don't like her, but she's extremely popular. I wouldn't bet against her.

As for the Supervisor races, I think you're pretty much dead on. Mike and Alex are good friends of mine and would make excellent additions to the Board. I'm not sure that Jenkins will run again in Neabsco. If he doesn't, it will most likely be Rick Coplan against a TBD GOPer. Neabsco isn't necessarily a Republican stronghold, but an active, well-supported candidate could beat Coplan. Some may believe that Coplan will run for Chairman again, but I believe that his run against Sean in 2003 was simply to build name recognition in preparation for Jenkins' eventual retirement. Either way, he's beatable. In terms of who Connaughton would support, that's an interesting question. I will say that whoever he chooses will likely be the next Chairman.

As far as Stewart replacing McQuigg? Maybe, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not bashing Corey here (though I certainly have before), but I just don't think his track record meshes with the district he'd represent. I could be wrong, though.

At 8/04/2005 04:46:00 PM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

"It is highly unlikely that he will seek re-election to the BOCS, though he'd win in a landslide."

Oh I love the overconfidence of those who have completely lost touch with Mr. Connaughton's constituents. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid and basking in the sunshine from his posterior as I suspect you will have to turn to harder libations when the reality of the next election cycle hits. I would suggest that by that time the esteemed chairman would be lucky to win a GOP primary for his district's seat much less a Senate or State-wide slot. Unfulfilled promises and public assertions/letters that are diametrically opposed to recorded reality have a habit of biting pols in the ass, particularly when the opposition grabs the candidate by his contradictions and gnaws on him like a dog with a bone. No, Sean is dead and the funny thing is he shot himself.

As for the "Caddigan/Covington/Nohe coalition":

1. Caddigan won't be able to stand the scrutiny particularly given her recent animosity against Stirrup and Stewart. That might play with the local party hacks but will ultimately be her undoing with the rank and file, after all, Stirrup and Stewart can simply say they were being fiscally conservative and note that Ms. Caddigan was really supporting Jenkins and Broom Hilda.

2. Covington can't maintain the same position from one board meeting to the next and that too will catch up with him, like Connaughton, he might be lucky just to win a primary for re-election.

3. Leaves us with Marty, and here I am torn. At one point I would have given him no chance given his ties to Connaughton but lately he seems to sense a shift and doesn't appear quite as eager to play Dick Grayson to Sean. Nonetheless, he still has to overcome that melon and haircut which scream used car salesman.

At 8/04/2005 05:23:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

"Caddigan won't be able to stand the scrutiny particularly given her recent animosity against Stirrup and Stewart"

-Sean Connaughton cleaned up in Stewarts district in a primary filled with nuts voting, and even with Stirrup going door to door for Bolling, Sean did reasonably well in Stirrups precincts. I have no doubt that Connaughton is more loved by the voters of Prince William County than Corey Stewart , and John Stirrup.
-I am still baffled at why Stewart, who cried to Connaughton for support and money in his race, would all of a sudden bite the hand that fed him.
-Connaughtons constituents, as well as most of Northern Virginians applaud politicians like Connaughton, who do what is necissary to give them services while trying to keep taxes low. It is these close-minded ideologues in Prince William County , who are opposed to anything not reducing taxes, who have a day of reckoning next election.

At 8/04/2005 05:40:00 PM, Blogger Scott said...

Hey, maybe I can rent a place in Dale City and run again! - Chapman's place on the market?

I'd be real surpised to see Jenkins run again. I'd be even more surprised to see Coplen run for that seat - he's got eyes county wide and I don't think his defeat to Sean changed his mind one bit. Carlos Labioso is planning to run for Neabsco as a Dem. R's need to put someone up from the Smith family! Look for Jim Ebel to "think" about it for the R's. In additon to a Smith or Ebel there are other folks out there that would make great R candidates and could pull it off in an open seat - and I'd love to help any one of them do it in 2007! You can take the kid out of Dale City, but you can't take the Dale City out of the kid.

One person I don't think has been mention yet is Lucas - will she make the run for State Senate (36th dist) or will the McQuiqq vacate 51st and she take a shot there?

I see the primary match up in '07 Nohe -vs.- Stewart for Chairman. Connaughton was quoted too many times early in his Chairmanship that two terms is all he's going to serve. You know good politicians always tell the truth!,right? He'll be running for State Senate.

Any chance Stirrup is just going to hang on to the Gainesville seat until he has a chance to run for the 10th Congressional seat if Wolf ever vacates?

Stafford county politics is so boring they have two or three races for the board of Supv. going on there this year and you'd hardly know it. About the only exciting thing in there are the daily shots taken at Chichester.

At 8/04/2005 05:43:00 PM, Anonymous Kris Nohe said...

You are all wrong! I am running for Chairman! It will be the Nohe-Nohe ticket. My platform will be All Nohe All the Time!

Power, I must have power! Barefoot and Pregnant and hungry for POWER!!!

At 8/04/2005 06:19:00 PM, Anonymous Sorrel said...

I would think what happens in November 2005 would have an impact on Connaughton's future. If the Rs sweep the field decisively, his support of Kilgore and McDonnell, as well as his own abilities, will present him with opportunities in the state government. Although it seems very unlikely given that his opponent is Leslie Byrne, if Bolling loses, at least 70,000 Republican voters will be saying "I told you so" rather loudly and Sean, as a responsible voice for Northern Virginia, will be well-positioned in the increasingly NoVa-shifting Virginia demographic. Ditto, ditto, triple underscore if more than one of the statewide Rs loses. It seems a step down to go from Chairman of the BOS in a county like PW to being a State Senator, so I doubt it would appeal to Connaughton unless he decides to do it for its pure entertainment value. Connaugthon, quite predictably, ran very strong in PW (and Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria) in the June primary and certainly wiped the floor with his opponents in 2003. The charmingly self-annointed "Not Sean's Piss Boy" (don't you guys have bouncers at the door of this joint? That guy has issues.) must be completely delusional to think that there has been any erosion of Connaughton's local popularity. Where Connaughton came up short in June was primarily in the 7th congressional District (Central Virginia), where Bolling beat him by 20,000 votes (out of the total statewide 27,000 vote margin). There's no empirical evidence that Connaughton is any less of a power in Northern Virginia than he was in 2003. If NoVa keeps shifting liberal, he may lose power vis-a-vis Democrats, but he has shown capability of drawing votes from conservative and moderate Democrats. That might make him a strong congressional candidate in a district like the 11th, but much depends on T. Davis's plans.

At 8/04/2005 09:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Connaughton should run for Governor in the next cycle. He is the only person who seems to talk about curbing State spending and has a record of balancing the needs of growth versus taxes. The rest of these folks seem to be about slogans and not about action. If it were not for Connaughton and the competitiveness of Connolly, our taxes in Fairfax would be allot higher.

At 8/04/2005 09:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 8/04/2005 10:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was out of line. Someone delete that comment please.

At 8/04/2005 10:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't it public record?

At 8/04/2005 11:18:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

I'll stop short of making any formal predictions yet, but just some things to think about...

1. Corey Stewart ran for Senate before he ran for Supervisor. He wants to go to Richmond and hangout with his buddy Senator Bolling. He'll run for whatever he thinks he can win, but if given a choice, will take an office in Richmond over one in McCoart.

2. When Marty Nohe ran in 2003, he had no children; so he and Kris could campaign full-time with no worry about sitters or gainful employment. By the end of this month, he will have three kids. I think that he would make a very strong candidate for chairman and he might be my first choice from the names listed in previous posts. He would have some very smart and hard-working campaign volunteers behind him. But he will have to think REAL hard before putting his kids through a county-wide race when re-election in Coles seems like a slam dunk.

3. Can Maureen Caddigan raise any money? I simply don't have a sense. She's well liked (72% or something like that over whatshisname); I would vote for her over someone like Stewart, and probably even over Covington. But are there any deep pockets out there waiting to write her a check? Plus, like Nohe, re-election seems like a slam dunk.

4. Wally Covington has a solo law practice. There are no associates to run it for him while he's running the county. He's a very nice guy and has more than enough brains to do a good job if he won. A little introverted maybe, but that never killed anyone. I'm just not sure whether he can make a living if he's chairman.

5. My one prediction... John Stirrup does NOT run for chairman. Denny and Fitzy will want him to, and he'll toy with the idea. But he works in DC and travels extensively. He cannot committ to the kind of schedule Sean keeps and will play it safe.

6. Finally, don't rule Sean out for chairman. I, personally, would encourage him to run for Colgan's seat as part of a joint campaign with whomever he chooses to support to replace himself. But a run for statewide office from the chairman's seat is familiar territory for him and as a freshman Senator, a run for anything else might be tough. I'm giving 4-1 odds at best that Sean does NOT run for chairman, but he MIGHT.

The field is wide open I think. Not because there are too many good candidates, but because there are too many good reasons for each of them not to run.

At 8/04/2005 11:56:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

Looking back at these posts, I notice that Mr. Riley askes a good question about the PWC GOP farm team. Eliminating all incumbents, who would make up the seven members of your "alternative universe" GOP ticket?

That might be a good question for the next thread.

At 8/05/2005 07:54:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

The comment about Jim Young was completely out of bounds. I'd delete it myself if I could, but I don't have the rights on the server to remove comments posted by others.

TC - If you can remove it, please do. Otherwise, I would ask that readers simply ignore it and refrain from similar attacks. This is a meaningful conversation. Let's not degrade it with personal attacks.

At 8/05/2005 07:57:00 AM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

God I love you RINOs, but it's getting increasingly difficult to distinguish the difference between you and the Dems. When faced with reality you throw half the story out and when faced with a problem you, like Sean, blame it on Richmond. Note to all, the actions by those in Richmond are nothing new and by now everyone has had decades to become cognizant of it and work within the framework of the reality.

"Sean Connaughton cleaned up in Stewarts district in a primary filled with nuts voting, and even with Stirrup going door to door for Bolling, Sean did reasonably well in Stirrups precincts"

Yeah there were nuts voting but in a primary marked by low turnout, those "nuts" are theoretically the party loyalists and activists. That in combination with name recognition alone should have led to a greater victory for Sean in PWC. The sad fact is that virtually no resident of the county could tell you who the Lt. Governor is 6 weeks after an election and generally doesn't care. That he lost 5 precincts and finished in a virtual dead heat in three others should be raising red flags when compared to the pounding he took in Bolling's home county.

"Connaughtons constituents, as well as most of Northern Virginians applaud politicians like Connaughton, who do what is necissary to give them services while trying to keep taxes low."

I don't know about your taxes but mine have increased dramatically over the past five years while the level of services provided by the county has not improved and actions by the BOCS have drastically decreased the quality of life in the western portion of PWC. Now if by "doing what is necessary" you mean fidgeting in his chair and blaming those nasty people in Richmond for the county's ills, I might agree.

"It is these close-minded ideologues in Prince William County , who are opposed to anything not reducing taxes, who have a day of reckoning next election."

Keep thinking that way in the face of growing unrest and you'll be selling a lot of unused confetti on E-Bay the day after the next election. It's not the ideologues that you need to concern yourself with but rather that portion of the electorate most likely to vote, a subset that is becoming increasingly frustrated by the reluctance of the Chairman to address their concerns. Perhaps its time he stopped using the chair as a platform to bash Richmond and started addressing county issues with the resources at hand. A good start might be to question the assertions of the County Executive and the budget staff who have become the de facto policy makers in the county as the the board has essentially abdicated any oversight function.

"The charmingly self-annointed "Not Sean's Piss Boy" (don't you guys have bouncers at the door of this joint? That guy has issues.)"

The charming name presumes a low standard of civility that applies to both sides of an issue. ref: "Cumstein" or earlier posts by "James Young's Saggy Ballsack", etc. As regards having issues, yeah I have issues but they largely come as a result of the actions/inactions of the Board Chair who is seemingly more concerned with blaming the county ills on the state while at the same time ignoring local input on issues within the county and exacerbating a bad situation through poor policy decisions.

"There's no empirical evidence that Connaughton is any less of a power in Northern Virginia than he was in 2003."

See above note re: district results in PWC, I can't think of anything more "empirical" than that.

At 8/05/2005 08:08:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Kris - You never cease to amaze me! The only downside I see to Kris Nohe as Chairman of the BOCS is that her first act would likely be to require that every citizen display gnomes proudly on their lawns.

Glad to hear from Scott again. Interesting thoughts on Neabsco, particularly regarding the Smith family. If Jean runs for anything, it will be School Board. That's where her heart and experience are. I don't think she has any political ambitions beyound that. Of course, Kris may have hit on an interesting idea with the "All Nohe, All The Time" concept. Rick for BOCS and Jean for School Board in Neabsco? Unlikely, but it would be fun to watch. Funny thing is, I hear that Rick is a pretty moderate Republican. That might not fly in other districts, but in Neabsco it might be an asset.

As for Mitch's Wife's question, Alex Venegas and Mike May have already been mentioned in Coles and Occoquan. Dumfries? How about Jane Beyer?

At 8/05/2005 08:12:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Not Sean's Piss boy - The name "Mitch Cumstein" is taken from the movie "Caddyshack." Mitch was mentioned briefly by Chevy Chase's character Ty Webb during an interaction with Danny Noonan. My use of this moniker pays homage to the movie and is not meant to infer a "low standard of civility." In the future, please do your homework and refrain from jumping to conclusions.

At 8/05/2005 08:52:00 AM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

Scott and Mitch are onto something with the "All Smith All the Time" idea in Neabsco...

Jean for School Board (I think a lot of us are hoping for that one.)

Rick for Supervisor (I've never thought of that, but suddenly, it seems to make sense.)

Top it off with Sara for Soil and Water Conservation Board!!!

At 8/05/2005 08:57:00 AM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

"In the future, please do your homework and refrain from jumping to conclusions."

I'm well aware of the reference's origin, I would also suggest that given its origin it was intended as a humorous reference to it homophone which at best is low humor, humor which I don't personally find offensive.

Nonetheless, to vehemently pawn it off as "homage to the movie" denotes either a sophmoric level of awareness or a profound need to defend the use of a moniker that many have questioned.

Although I am old enough to have seen it and "Animal House" legally in their initial releases and can recite lines from both, I can't help but note that you seem to have a level of knowledge regarding "Caddyshack" that some might find unhealthy. As a child, you didn't happen to build a bridge for the Enterprise under your deck and whisper "Beam me Up Scotty" into your pocket protector.

At 8/05/2005 09:10:00 AM, Anonymous Sorrel said...

NSPB: Your blog name seems gratuitously vulgar. Surely you can do better. James Young is nearly as shrill in content, but at least he uses an inoffensive name.

At 8/05/2005 09:16:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Let me second the condemnation of Anon 9:58's inappropriate post. As with Mitch, I do not have authority to remove that post, either, but ask that it be removed by the moderator ASAP.

At 8/05/2005 09:19:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Interesting. I have little doubt that some might find my knowledge of and use of quotes from movies as unhealthy. Oh well. I merely offered that my use of "Mitch Cumstein" was a movie reference and not an intentional attempt to offend anyone.

And for the record, I have never owned a pocket protector. And while I've never (to my knowledge) built a "Bridge for the Enterprise" under my deck, I do prefer the original Star Trek over its later knock-offs.

At 8/05/2005 09:21:00 AM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

"I do prefer the original Star Trek over its later knock-offs"

At least we agree on one thing.

At 8/05/2005 09:22:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Smith's would be excellent. I really like Jean.

I do not think Jane will run for Supervisor at any point and time. She seems to me to be more of a 'behind-the-scenes' kind of girl. Look for her to be the driving force along with Steve Danziger for whomever the CCCN wing of the party puts up for Chair.

With that in mind I might add Steve Danziger to the list of possible Supervisor "Bench". He is a odd fella at times, but I think he would be an excellent selection. Has the experience over in Soil & Water, but would have a tough time in the nomination battle.

John Gray is another name to throw out. Though I think he has to get over the fact that 2 years ago he ran as a Dem.

Zeiders.. I liked him. Good family. Would be interesting to see if he does anything ever again.

At 8/05/2005 09:22:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

By the way... The comment has been deleted. IP will be anned as well shortly.

At 8/05/2005 09:39:00 AM, Blogger Hirons said...

What will Dan Berrios be running for?

At 8/05/2005 09:55:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Dan ran for the same state senate seat that Corey briefly did back in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take another crack at it.

At 8/05/2005 09:58:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Braunlich plans on going again though as well.

At 8/05/2005 10:17:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Agreed on Gray and Zeiders. They're both in Occoquan, along with Mike May.

I can't believe I forgot about Danizger. Odd? Maybe at first, but he has become one of my favorite people over the last few years and a great guy to talk politics with. For some reason, I can't remember which district he lives in. A little help?

At 8/05/2005 10:25:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Anon 9:11 -- Since when has Sean ever curbed spending?!?! He won't even direct County bureaucrats to write a budget which doesn't contain a massive spending increase. Indeed, as I understood his campaign for Lt. Gov., he maintained that the state hadn't met its responsibilities to localities, which implies support for more state spending.

At 8/05/2005 10:28:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

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At 8/05/2005 10:33:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Prince William is the only county in the state with any form of Tax and Expenditure limitations. Even if they are only voluntary it more than we can say for the state government.

State spending has grown by 81% in 10 years with population only growing by 10%. When will you start calling them out Mr Young? Or, is this just an assault on Sean, which is normal for the PWTPA?

At 8/05/2005 10:34:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Guess I missed something posted at 9:58. Since Mitch posted to my blog, I assume it was about me; probably something slanderous and doubtless anonymous. Kudos to whomsoever took up a righteous cause, even if I remain blissfully ignorant of the content.

And BTW, "piss boy" is a reference that I have, in conversation, used in the past. It, of course, refers to Mel Brooks' "History of the World, Part I." It's not my moniker or pseudonym, but for those who don't get it (as I didn't initially understand Mitch's reference), there it is.

At 8/05/2005 10:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ziggy lives in Gainesville.

At 8/05/2005 10:45:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

mr jms -- Once again, you assume something without knowledge of the evidence. In fact, in my late, apparently unlamented column, I frequently noted the uncontrolled increases in state spending, particularly in reference to the unnecessary sales tax referendum championed by former Delegate Jack Rollison. While I don't expect you to dive into any large piles of newspapers, the facts are there, for those who care to find them.

As for your comments about the PWTA, I don't speak for the organization, though I am on its Board, and our focus, as the name would imply, is primarily on local races (County) and state races which are within our jurisdiction (Delegates; State Senators). We have done nothing federally.

Finally, as for your comments upon voluntary County spending limitations, I suppose that's pretty easy to do after you've spent five years increasing the average homeowner's property tax bill by 50%. Of course, you neglect to mention that their vintage is recent, and contemporaneous with Sean's statewide ambitions, lending an air of phoniness to them.

Real reform would include a directive to County bureaucrats to write a budget which does not require a tax increase, i.e., one which does not set the terms of the debate so that real fiscal conservatives are not accused of advocating "cuts," when all they really seek is to have the budget remain flat. By state law, unless County Supervisors affirmatively approve a tax increase -- which they have in every year of Sean's tenure -- expenditures in a succeeding year can only rise to 101% of the prior year's budget. PWC increases have averaged on the order of 20% annually over Sean's tenure.

I give Sean credit for the intelligence of understanding the importance of controlling the terms of the debate. That he sets them to put fiscal conservatives on the defensive demonstrates that his protestations of conservatism are hollow indeed.

At 8/05/2005 11:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jane Beyer: a shoe in. Will win if she wants it (assuming Maureen is gone). I wouldn't count her out.

Mike May: may have lost some steam after his primary loss, but is now back in the public eye on the Planning Commission. He would have to capitalize on the exposure, though.

John Gray: would have difficulty overcoming having run as a Democrat. He certainly has the dedication and interest.

Who on earth in Woodbridge? Either after Hilda beats Jeff, or in 2007?

Venegas is nice but for all of his activities remains a bit green. Also seems uncomfortable around people sometimes? How about Kopko? He is new, too, though. Tom Burrell again?

Julie Lucas? A Smith? Dan Berrios? ???

Steve Danziger: works hard for others but speaks awfully fast sometimes. Slow down, we're not all from NY! I don't see Stirrup getting elected to Congress, not in a district that also emcompasses so much of Fairfax. They don't want a guy who lives on a horse farm. He may pine away for the seat, but it is unrealistic.

At 8/05/2005 11:21:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

I must concede that county spending has increased over Sean's tenure. So though has the number of people living in the county.

My question to you though Mr. Young is this, how could such a problem have been handled better? Yes there has been an increase in the tax base, but it has grown at a level substantially less than your personal wealth due to the rise in your home value. With this increase you have seen better performing schools, lower crime rates, new roads, and a massive increase in inter-county job opportunities for high income positions. I personally would call this a success.

What amuses me even more is the local groups need to attack the county leadership that has to operate with the hand it is dealt. If the state would simply get its house in order, build the roads it promises to build, and stop passing mandates on education that they can not afford to pay for than we might see a much different picture on the local level. Fact is the crap will always roll down hill and the County Board will always be stuck with the bill.

Wholesale change is needed in Richmond in order to accomplish many of the very things you are advocating Mr. Young. I would challenge to PWTPA to work with the county Board on accomplishing that very thing as opposed to fighting within the community.

At 8/05/2005 11:33:00 AM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

You know what would be a winning GOP ticket in Neabsco? Julie Lucas for Supervisor and Jean Smith for school board IF (and its admittedly a big if) they could agree to work as a team and a unified ticket. If they present themselves as running mates and have common lit, signs, etc; the could split the work and benefit from each other's strengths.

The question is, how do you put that deal together?

Dan Berrios wants to become a lawyer. That's where all of his time and energy will go for the next few years.

At 8/05/2005 11:46:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Mitch's Wife -

Interesting thought. I'm not sure that Julie would be interested in Neabsco BOCS seat. However, the idea that those two could work together isn't as far-fetched as those who remember their 2003 race might think. Word around the campfire is that there's already been some mending of fences there.

At 8/05/2005 11:53:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Wow, a milestone has been reached! 50 comments on this one thread alone in just under 24 hours!

At 8/05/2005 11:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, I guess the question is whether Mrs. Smith is interested in running. I remember something about not putting her family through it again.

At 8/05/2005 12:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We could always run Sean's old Campaign Manager Rob for something within PWC. He is young and knows the circuit, but hasn't been tainted by the inter-party battles to much. He has lived in PWC longer than half the county I am sure.

Lord knows we need some young blood in our party as well. I think Nohe, Chapman, and Stuart make up what little young blood we have.

At 8/05/2005 12:02:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

mr jms -- Thank you for making my point. Like the man to whom you've pledged your fealty, you change the subject (asking "how could such a problem have been handled better?"). I'm torn between not indulging your effort, and noting that you really need to re-read my post, i.e., by directing County bureaucrats to write a budget without massive spending increases. 'Fact is, Sean and the Board like profligate spending.

And your comments about the growth in my "personal wealth" suggest that you're just Hector Quintana in drag, since that old saw is a nice excuse, and meaningful for anyone who doesn't plan to stay here. Well, I've been in PWC for sixteen years, and I don't intend to ever live anywhere else. My children will be happy for the increase in the value of my home, but a 50% increase in property taxes over five years is unreasonable by any measure. Certainly, my income hasn't increased by a like amount, and I'm willing to bet that the income of few County taxpayers has.

As for "better performing schools, lower crime rates, new roads, and a massive increase in inter-county job opportunities for high income positions," County spending has had little to do with any but new roads. Better performing schools are meaningless to those of us who refuse to turn our children over to government schools (but are forced to subsidize them nonetheless), and they, like lower crime rates and jobs in the County are more a product of national/regional trends and/or mandates than anything Sean or his colleagues on the County Board have done. None of the above have anything to do with the massive spending increases imposed by the BOCS; only new roads can properly be credited to them, and they are a small portion of the budget.

Most everything you say is a wonderful soundbite from the Connaughton propaganda machine -- take credit for everything good; blame everything bad on somebody else -- which causes me to wonder whether it's not Hector Quintana behind that moniker. Sure sounds like him, especially the claim that somehow the PWTA doesn't "work and play well with others." Funny kind of accusation, particularly since -- in campaign mode -- Sean adopted spending and tax caps very close to what PWTA suggested in its 2003 Taxpayer Protection Pledge. 'Course, why should you or Sean give credit where credit is due?

Some personal responsibility.

At 8/05/2005 12:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's true there is little young blood out there, but I'd like to hope we can do better than Rob, Steve Chapman, and Corey.

At 8/05/2005 12:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's disappointing to hear that as much as Mr Young hates the representation and direction of Prince William, he won't be voting with his feet.

At 8/05/2005 12:14:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Rob doesn't live in PWC anymore and I bet the wifey wouldn't let him run even if he did. And he tends to be to moderate to run for anything outside of local office anyways.

Mr. Young- If he has adopted a cap similar to PWTPA in 2003 than can we expect a PWTPA endorsement in 2007?

I am not Hector. I have actually never met the guy. Keep guessing!

At 8/05/2005 12:15:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

In response to anon 11:21...

You are right that Vanegas is green, but he has a lot of strengths should Marty Nohe leave office:

He and Marty are very good friends, which has to be an asset if trying to succeed Marty.

He knocked on maybe 2000 doors for Marty in 2003 and has started doing the same for Kilgore.

His community service resume is strong... better even than Marty's was four years ago.

He has a social relationship with both Sean Connaughton and Glen Hill.

His wife is as hard a worker as he is.

Tom Kopko seems like a good egg, but would have some catching up to do.

Tom Burrell has an even bigger party ID problem than John Gray. First he was a Republican candiate, than an independant candidate, then an independent supporting Marty, then an independant supporting the Democrat, and now apparently, and ally of Marty's again.

The thing to watch for in Coles is someone that we've never heard of coming out of nowhere: An HOA president, a retired police captain, a businessman looking forward to an early retirement. I don't know any names, but that's the point. There are probably dozens of smart, likable people who have never attended a PWCGOP meeting, but who could rally a couple of dozen volunteers out of nowhere.

At 8/05/2005 12:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mitch's wife, I look forward to seeing who else comes out of the woodwork. None of the others mentioned have given me a spark yet.

At 8/05/2005 12:47:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Well, mr jms, since you sound so much like him, and you don't have the courtesy to reveal yourself here or elsewhere so that your readers can judge your credentials (while belitting those of actual accomplishment whose credentials are open and notorious), I guess I'll just call you Hector, your appropriate response to slander notwithstanding.

At 8/05/2005 12:48:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Anon 12:07 -- It's disappointing to learn that, as much as you hate me and apparently hold me in contempt, you are too cowardly to reveal your identity so that that the readers can judge our relative credentials.

At 8/05/2005 12:50:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

I think my identity is quickly becoming like that of John Behans. The worst kept secret in the Commonwealth political circles.

At 8/05/2005 12:50:00 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

I love the pic and headline for this thread. Please use it again

At 8/05/2005 12:51:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

And to answer your question (I didn't above), Hector 12:14, I don't know, but I doubt it. That endorsement is not given for past service (and what you propose is, after two years of 20%+ increases, he finally reduced the increase to, what?, 6%), but on the basis of taking the PWTA's Taxpayer Protection Pledge. And even if Sean did, I would personally doubt his sincerity.

At 8/05/2005 12:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny to me how people assume that anyone who disagrees with the extreme right wing sometimes is Hector Quintana. There are others out there.

At 8/05/2005 12:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't say I hated Mr. Young.

Anon. 12:07

At 8/05/2005 12:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is Laura Quintana.

At 8/05/2005 01:10:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Well, Hector, if it's such a poorly-kept secret, how come I don't know? How come you won't tell? How come you won't post under your own name? Too much to hide? What does it take to find out?

My suspicion is that your lack of truly conservative credentials would be laid bare for all to see (I found particularly disingenuous your claim of lower taxes on your bio), as opposed to those of us who actually have them.

At 8/05/2005 01:12:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

You know what I love about James Young, is that he tries to come at people constantly just to get a rise out of you. It used to work on me, now it just makes me laugh inside because he spends his time responding to us and making these wild accusations about identities and such. It is funny to me.

Keep trying Mr. Young. Maybe you will get it right one day!

If we keep going at this rate we will be hitting 100 comments on one thread, that has to be a VA political blog record!

At 8/05/2005 01:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Maybe MR JMS's identity is secret from you because you are FAR less connected in PWC politics than you seem to think you are. I know: Best YR club in America (twelve years ago), wrote the PWCRC by-lays (fourteen years ago), Parliamentarian of the 11th district committee (ten years ago), PWCRC School Board endorsment twice (ten and six years ago), rise to prominance of Republicans in Prince William (ten years ago), highly respected and influential PN column (but not REALLY that highly respected or influential).

The truth is that you are out of touch.

At 8/05/2005 01:49:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Good point. I think most well connected No Va GOP-ers know the identity of myself and TC...

though we still don't know who the heck Mitch is!

Riley is obvious.

That Guy doesn't live in No Va, but we like him alot.

At 8/05/2005 02:06:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Wow, between my last post and my drive home, there were another 20 posts! Plus we've attracted Not Larry Sabato's attention on this thread.

NLS, thanks for the compliment on setting up the thread. The Coffee Talk thing just seemed a natural.

As far as the identities of those on this blog, well, I'm pretty open about who I am, but most of us that run this site don't even know who each other are. Aside from Mitch, I don't know who any of my fellow teammates are on this blog. In fact, just this morning, Mitch was asking me if I knew who Mr. JMS was.

At 8/05/2005 02:23:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Well who the heck is Mitch?

At 8/05/2005 02:25:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

Although I am only an occassional commentor, I know that my handle has caught Mitch's attention. In case anyone didn't know, I'm not his real wife. Also, I do not know Mitch's real identity.

What's funny is that once, someone who knows that I follow the blogs, but does not know my blogging identity, asked me if I know who "mitch's wife" is because "Mitch" wanted to know. So basically, my friend, who for all I know may be my fake husband, wanted to know if real me knew who fake me was because my fake husband wanted to know. It was all very surreal.

At 8/05/2005 02:30:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Mitch's Wife -

At this point, I'd settle for knowing that you are, indeed, a female.

At 8/05/2005 02:33:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Does Mitch have a real wife? Or just the cyber love connection made here on TC?

At 8/05/2005 02:36:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

Think it's about time to open a PWC Chit Chat blog? I would, but I don't really qualify anymore :(

However if someone does, there are some great topics to be disccussed early on that would generate plenty of comment:

Jim Young - Agree or Disagree?
Sean Connaughton - Agree or Disagree?
Are my taxes to high?
More Houses or More Offices?
Nohe for Chairman?
Stewart for Chairman?
Stirrup for Chairman?
McQuigg for Clerk?
Mitch for Supervisor?

At 8/05/2005 02:38:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...


I just sent you an e-mail that should answer many of your questions.

At 8/05/2005 03:36:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Coward 1:46 -- Then why oh why do you Connaughtonites spend so much time running a hate campaign against me?

Hector, or maybe O.P., or whoever -- That's why Riley gets a little more respect from me. At least on OP's old site at MSN, posters had to give their real names, and their comments could be judged accordingly. BTW, is that "well-connected," or Connaughton piss-boys? Just because you equate "well-connected" with inside knowledge doesn't make it so; the very fact that you are keeping your identity secret here belies your claim, as do the subsequent posts of your teammates.

At 8/05/2005 03:46:00 PM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

"well-connected" and Connaughton piss-boys" could be generally construed as synonymous in current PWC GOP politics you might also add irrational and self-absorbed. In any event, postings here have demonstrated that "well-connected" apparently doesn't equate to "well-informed", "well-mannered" or even "well-balanced". If indeed the "well-connected" were any of the latter, they would be able to carry on any intelligent discourse on a subject without responding with personal attacks on those posters they disagree with. Yeah I know I'm guilty too but when in Rome...

At 8/05/2005 03:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah! So by that logic, if I don't give a hoot whether or not you respect me, then the impact of my anonymity, relative to Jim Riley's lack thereof, is negligible.

I don't accept your characterization of "hate campaign" as hate is not the motivating factor. In fact, in many cases, I don't accept the characterization "Connaughtonites" as not everyone here is a close associate of Sean Connaughton. In both cases, I am sure that you will continue to assume whatever you choose, and that it fine with me. I have too little respect for you, despite your openness about your identity, to care what you assume about me.

That being said, if I rephrase your question to, "Then why oh why do you (people who choose to engage me despite the clearly angry tone of my responses) spend so much time running a (series of engagements that unleash my angry repsonses) against me?" The answer is simple... You are study in human nature. You say that you have no respect for us, and yet, you continue to respond and allow yourself to become confrontational, angry or hostile despite that proclaimed lack of respect. There are many people whom I do not respect and thus, I refuse to allow them to engage me, or at least to anger me. You, on the other hand, belie that lack of respect by encouraging further engagement. Call it what you will, but you obviously care DEEPLY about our opinion of you, and THAT is a high sign of respect in my book.

At 8/05/2005 06:39:00 PM, Anonymous Coward for Good Reasons said...

Was I wrong to assume James Young and Not Sean's Etc. were the same person? What's with these adjacent posts? Is this a Jeckyll/Hyde (or Hyde/Super Hyde)thing? Does the James Young guy divide into two personalities and talk to himself on the blogs? [cue Twilight Zone theme]. Pretty darned confusing.

At 8/05/2005 08:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My guess is that Jim Young runs for Director of the Prince William Soil and Water Conservation District but is defeated by "None of the above" in a landslide.

At 8/05/2005 08:58:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Okay, okay. Let's get this thread back on track.........

At 8/05/2005 09:47:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said... response to some of the posts above regarding the Smiths, there are some interesting takes on this already given here.

Here's mine. Since the main political capacity that I knew Rick in was as his wife's #1 supporter in her race for the schoolboard, I had until now purely viewed him in the role of a Jim Caddigan / Kris Nohe-type of spouse (pretty darn good company to be in as far as I'm concerned.) However, now that his name has been bandied about as a potential candidate himself by others here, I could see him undertaking a race of his own and running a very strong campaign. He's smart, articulate, right on the issues and has a great family to back him up.

As far as the suggested Julie Lucas for Neabsco Supervisor / Jean Smith for School Board ticket, I too have heard that things are much friendlier between the two most prominent GOP Neabsco camps these days (down from three now that the Hirons have left for "redder precincts.") Word is that a lot of this stems from Jean and Julie working the polls together on Primary Day.

Alas, I think that only one Smith may be on the ballot in 2007 and I'm not sure if even either of them know yet which one it will be. That is if either of them choose to do so at all. Suffice it to say, we have a very strong bench coming up in Neabsco, which would give us the potential to sweep every Board seat in 2007 if all the breaks go our way.

At 8/06/2005 08:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Jim Young loses to "anonymous"!

At 8/06/2005 08:39:00 AM, Blogger Hirons said...

One more question . . .When's Jim Riley going to throw his hat in the ring if Caddigan steps down or runs for Chairman?

He's already proving to be a great leader for Southbridge!

At 8/06/2005 10:13:00 AM, Anonymous Mitch's lovechild said...

Going back to an earlier post by Mitch's wife...I think Jim Young would lose to Sarah Smith in the battle for Soil & Water Conservation Board. She's hot.

At 8/06/2005 10:32:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Now that I have a fairly educated idea of who "Mitch's Wife" really is, I feel really dirty. I won't post again until I've taken a very long shower.

At 8/06/2005 12:19:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...


At 8/06/2005 10:18:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Scott --

I appreciate the kind words you had for me regarding my tenure as the Southbridge HOA president and I'm flattered that you'd mention my name for something like this.

I think that you already answered your own question, though. Maureen would either have to step down or run for Chairman before I could even *consider* anything of that nature. I have always been a strong supporter of hers and plan to do whatever I can to help with her reelection to the BOCS in 2007.

Maureen is definitely not planning on stepping down from the Board as she is in the process of putting together a campaign fundraiser that I have offered to help her out on. The other option, her running for Chairman, all depends upon what Sean ultimately decides to do. She is the current Board Vice Chair and is the senior Republican on the BOCS, so she does have the stature and name ID to tackle the race. I suppose it all depends on whether it is something that she really wants to do or not and I don't have an answer to that question.

At 8/07/2005 11:37:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Interesting how the balance of power in PWC all revovles around Connaughton and Mabie deciding what is next for them in life. We could see a drastically different landscape if they both leave the county scene.

At 8/07/2005 07:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is because they are leaders with integrity who seem to be driven by what is right by their constituents, versus what is right for themselves. They will leave a major hole when they decide to leave which will be difficult to fill with the current cast of characters.

At 8/07/2005 10:54:00 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

Another comment. Trying to get you guys to a well deserved 100 in this thread.

At 8/07/2005 11:05:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

NLS- You have to have an opinion on what might be next for Connaughton and friends? Do ya'll think Sean has a legit shot in '09?

At 8/08/2005 07:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Connaughton retires - he has way too much more to do with his life than hang around with the bloggers!

At 8/08/2005 10:12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Connaughton should be like every other great maverick and ride off into the sunset!

At 8/08/2005 10:40:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...


At 8/08/2005 11:03:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

As loath as I am to help the "competition" to 100 comments, Anon 7:04's comment seems inapplicable to Mabie, who is the flip-side of Tom Davis (a moderate who doesn't screw conservatives to advance himself, and reaches out to those more conservative than himself). Mabie is a conservative who doesn't screw moderates to advance himself, and reaches out to those more moderate than himself. This compares favorably to Connaughton. Besides, I believe that Mabie will retire from public life after this term.

The description "leaders with integrity who seem to be driven by what is right by their constituents, versus what is right for themselves" is just another name for someone who doesn't believe in anything except obtaining and maintaining political power, i.e., what is right by themselves. Edmund Burke rightly noted over two centuries ago that a representative owes his constituents more than just his vote. He owes them his wisdom, as well.

At 8/08/2005 11:51:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

so elected representatives that listen to their constituients as opposed to perate on blind ideology is a bad thing in your opinion?

And could someone please tell me why Connaughton is a Moderate?

At 8/08/2005 12:02:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

....and the century mark is reached with debate still going strong!

At 8/08/2005 12:29:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

mr jms, you're just not paying attention, and use my comments out of context to attack me. You're ridiculous. Is it all to boost your comment count?

After you said "the balance of power in PWC all revovles around Connaughton and Mabie deciding what is next for them in life," Anon 7:04 said that "they are leaders with integrity who seem to be driven by what is right by their constituents, versus what is right for themselves."

My post was to suggest that Anon 7:04's comment in context was a code word for "someone who doesn't believe in anything except obtaining and maintaining political power, i.e., what is right by themselves," especially since I don't equate Chairman Sean's policies with "what is right by [his] constituents," a point over which reasonable people may disagree.

I never said that "elected representatives that listen to their constituients as opposed to operate on blind ideology is a bad thing." However, neither do I equate politicians who "blindly follow their constituents" with either "leadership" or "integrity," two words used by the post to which I was responding. Sure, it will make them popular and get them into positions of political power, for a time, but the notion that either quality is to be attributed to Chairman Sean is too elaborate to be maintained. Of course, neither do I associate the negative connotations that you clearly imply with the word "ideology," nor are most ideologies "blind"; e.g., the Framers' "ideology" as represented by the Constitution.

However, by disparaging them as such and in such broad terms, you have managed to avoid the heavy intellectual lifting of rebutting whatever particular "blind ideology" happens to be your target. Of course, I presume that your targets EXclude the blind ideology of ever-increasing tax-and-spend budgets which have been the hallmark of Chairman Sean's tenure as PWC County Board Chairman.

At 8/08/2005 02:51:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim Young makes so much sense, is so intelligent, and has the utmost integrity; if only he would run for some important position in order to show us all that he really is the master of the world. Oh, I'm sorry, he did and lost overwhelming ... twice. Stupid voters!

At 8/08/2005 02:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love Young's tirades - he and his playmates have attacked Connaughton for the last four years and it is all Connaughton's fault that he keeps winning and has remained very popular. At some point Young will understand that Connaughton is popular because of the abuse heaped up by Young, Hendrix, Fitzsimmunds and Daughterty. YOU HAVE MADE THE GUY A HERO --CONGRATULATIONS!

At 8/08/2005 03:28:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Coward 2:51 makes so much sense, is so intelligent, and has the utmost integrity, if he would run for some important position in order to show us all that he really is the master of the world. Oh, I'm sorry, he or she doesn't even have the courage or integrity to put his or her name on her comments.

Sure, I lost twice. And on both occasions, got a thousand or so more votes than you have ever gotten for anything in your pathetic life. It's little surprise that infantile pecksniffians who lack the guts to put their names on their diatribes feel the need to belittle those of us who do.

Coward 2:58 -- No, my guess is that Connaughton is popular because he happened to be there when the wheel came 'round -- just like Slick Willie. Among my objections to Chairman Sean is that he simply doesn't have the decency to acknowledge all who got the GOP in PWC, and hence, him, where he is: among others, "Young, Hendrix, Fitzsimmunds and Daughterty." 'Course, Chairman Sean sat out politics for most of the '90s, while we were defeating Democrats. I give him credit for getting nearly the last one standing, and for the gift of good timing.

And BTW, if he's so popular and such a hero, how come he couldn't get himself nominated to be Lieutenant Governor? Let's see: you belittle me because I "lost overwhelmingly," yet you lionize Sean, who most recently .... lost overwhelmingly. Nice double-standard.

Frankly, anyone who holds Connaughton as a "hero" is pretty pathetic. Jeez! I may not like the guy, but I'd concede a few good qualities about him. But "hero"?!?! The guys and gals up in Discovery are heroes. John Glenn and John McCain are "heroes." Sean Connaughton is no "hero," and I'd bet that even he has enough dignity to disparage that appellation, something that those of his sycophants here wouldn't.

So you and your playmates keep lionizing Chairman Sean and misrepresenting his record. He's already demonstrated that he doesn't travel well.

At 8/08/2005 03:56:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...


Great word! And, from your perspective, a well-chosen one at that. Certainly a step up from "Piss Boy," though that had a certain amount of charm as well. I think we can at least agree, however, that Mel Brooks, while amazingly funny, doesn't quite stand up to Dickens.


At 8/08/2005 03:56:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

I would say Sean Connaughton is a hero. And when I say that I am not saying it because of his time on the PWC Board. I would call elected service distinguishable and something we should all respect, but not heroic.

However, I would consider Connaughton a hero due to his time in service to our nation. Any veteran that has honorably served our nation is heroic in my book. And in my opinion would fall into the same loose definition of hero just given by you Mr. Young.

On the election end I pose this question... What other GOP member in PWC had the guts to take on Seefeldt? Question his timing all you want, but you have to admit Mr. Young that Chairman Connaughton took a risk that you yourself were not even willing to take by going after the top Dem in the county. It is risk-takers like Chairman Connaughton and Sheriff Hill that ended the Dem control of the county. True many before them paved they way, but that will always be true for 99.99% of leaders that exist in our lifetime. Few have ever done anything without some assistance, direct or in-direct, along the way.

At 8/08/2005 03:59:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

And one more thing, Coward(s) 2:51 and 2:58 -- Why don't you let us in on the positions that I (and/or the others; I note that you take after some friends of mine) have taken over the years with which you disagree. Not the candidates: the positions. Why don't you tell us all what positions that Young, Hendrix, FitzSimmonds, and Daugherty have taken -- one of us or all of us -- with which you have disagreed?

I suspect that you won't or, that when you do, you will demonstrate beyond question either that: (a) we ain't as "far right" as you'd like to smear us as; (b) you're a Liberal, masquerading as a conservative; and/or (c) it really just is about a personality conflict, and your hatred and jealousy of anyone who has credibility because of a record and accomplishments you lack.

Why else would you cower so in such craven anonymity?

At 8/08/2005 04:12:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Uhh, mr jms, "Dem control of our County" was ended in 1995, when the GOP got a majority (Thompson; Caddigan; McQuigg; Hill; Wilbourn) on the Board of County Supervisors. And Kathy Seefeldt was not the "top Dem in the County"; that was, and remains, Paul Ebert, at least by the standard of time in office. I give him credit for taking the risk. But he didn't do it alone (many, me and Hendrix, FitzSimmonds, and Daugherty, among them, supported him in '99), notwithstanding his utter failure throughout the 90s to "labor in the GOP vineyard." You are correct that "Few have ever done anything without some assistance, direct or in-direct, along the way," but it is equally true that too many do it without acknowledging the assistance that they received along the way, and even fewer do it with the utter disregard that Chairman Sean has demonstrated for those who paved the way for him.

And no, merely putting on the uniform doesn't make one "heroic." It may provide more opportunities for heroism, but I've heard nothing that indicates that Connaughton's record is "heroic." "Honorable"? Certainly. "Heroic?" Hardly. And I didn't give a "definition"; I gave examples. Not sure if Chairman Sean ever sat on ten million pounds of volatile chemicals (unless the part of New York he's from is Love Canal), done that AND something only one other man had done, or was tortured by America's enemies, but he doesn't seem to have any of those accomplishments in common with any of my examples.

At 8/08/2005 04:21:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

I think the issue at hand is the need to attack Connaughton verse attacking his policy. I also find it odd that at no point have I heard the level of vile and disrespectfull attacks launched against the other members of the board.

And, despite a board controlled by the GOP a Dem still Chaired the group. With the manner in which the PWC Govt is operated a large portion of power resides within the Chairman, regardless of party.

At 8/08/2005 04:37:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

You note "the need to attack Connaughton verse attacking his policy." I think if you'll go back, you'll find that I, for one, have "attacked" only his tax-and-spend policies. You will find that the same is true of the Taxpayers Alliance and its members, by and large. Indeed, when it started, we envisioned it as support for Sean, who supposedly shared our philosophy. It was only in his "vile and disrespectful" attacks of his constituents and those who had previously supported him that his variance from fiscally conservative policies became apparent.

And I'm curious: have at any point you "heard the level of vile and disrespectfull attacks launched against" anyone that you've seen leveled against me? And while I would dispute your characterization of criticisms of Sean as "vile and disrespectful," I would note that you explain the reason why yourself, in part, by noting that "the manner in which the PWC Govt is operated a large portion of power resides within the Chairman, regardless of party." A second, though not secondary, explanation lies in Sean's ambition for higher office. You run, your record becomes fair game. Apparently, his couldn't stand the scrutiny of Virginia's Republicans in a contested race.

At 8/08/2005 04:56:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Now, Jim might be on to something in his 3:59 post here. The main conflict here in the PWC GOP may very well be mostly stylistic and not substantive. That isn't to say that there are not legitimate differences in the details or priorities among the various factions. As a result, these differences tend to manifest themselves in such a way as to appear that divisions are greater than they really are. If you were to look at the big picture, the issues in broad strokes, I think that you would find most PWC GOPers, elected officials as well as rank and file, would support:

- low taxes
- creating a friendly business climate
- increased personal responsibility
- strong law enforcement
- a limited, but proper, role for government

I could go on, but these, as well as other things, are the ties that bind us in the GOP here at the local level and separate us from the Democrats.

At 8/08/2005 05:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What silliness!

Jim Young says: "Sure, I lost twice. And on both occasions, got a thousand or so more votes than you have ever gotten for anything in your pathetic life."

Jim Young you got a couple of hundred votes, not thousands.

Don't fib all the time ...

At 8/08/2005 06:22:00 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

While this is a GOP blog, if you are going to speculate on what happens next, I think you should also consider the Democrats. If Hilda wins that would leave Former Delegate Frederick looking for office as well as an open seat in Woodbridge. How about that? What happens then?

At 8/08/2005 06:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you nuts?! We're Prince William Republicans, we only attack each other not the Democrats!

At 8/08/2005 09:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I love about Jim Young is how he leaves so much out of his complaints and makes it up as he goes. He complains about taxes but doesn't tell us that his house went up by 83% in value since 2000 while his tax bill only went up by 22%. To put this in perspective, his house is worth $191,000 more and his tax bill went up $700. How can we get Sean Connaughton to run here in Fairfax?

At 8/09/2005 08:05:00 AM, Anonymous Driving Jim Nuts with My Anonymity said...


You want to know why people, especially those who appear to be from PWC, attack you so often on this blog? First, they disagree with you, sometimes quite vehemently. So they attack your opinion. But, I don’t think that is what you were asking. It seems that you want to know why it seems that folks take such a personal tone with you while they have discourse with others. And worse yet, why do they do it behind the veil of anonymity? Payback Jim is a cruel mistress, but one that you have been courting for quite some time.

For how many years did people in this county have to hold their breath on Wednesdays, waiting to see what you had written about them, someone they supported or a member of their own family, knowing there was very little they could do if you were unfair, unkind or incorrect? You viciously attacked candidates (mostly Republicans), elected officials, private citizens, those who wrote a letter to the editor disagreeing with you and pretty much anyone one about whom you had gotten your dander up. You used perverted logic to support your opinions, which you presented as fact while always adding a protective clause so that you didn’t get sued for getting those facts wrong. You are a lawyer after all and you knew how to cover your butt. Your columns were mean spirited and sometimes just plain wrong. You would even go so far as to attack a person’s grammar and syntax just to humiliate them. At the time, there was very little the average person could do to respond to you, because you got 900 words a week and the Potomac News’ policy on letters to the editor was only one 300 word letter a month. It made for a lopsided argument. Besides, history taught all of us that if we did disagree with you publicly, you would just attack us in your next column and it would probably be nastier than the initial slight. So we all bite our lips and, to quote Animal House, repeated, “Thank you sir. May I have another?”

But times have changed and you no longer have that article and we are no longer helpless in responding to your little diatribes in whatever way we see fit. You are back to being just another one of the little people, how did you always put it, toiling in the vineyard. There is no longer any fear of retribution from you Jim, because you don’t work on campaigns (I know back in the day… but this is now) and you don’t give money to candidates. So, despite all your yelling and blogging, you aren’t effective at effecting change. For years, you hid behind having that article. You will call it something else, but it allowed you to say whatever you wanted, because, as everyone knows, you don’t get in to an argument with a man who buys his ink by the ton because you will always lose. So when you accuse people of “hiding” behind their anonymity, they are doing it, because now, for the first time, there is a forum in which they can voice their opinions of you and your judgments without fear and without having to tell you who they. But why would they do it? Simple. Because it so clearly irritates you and there is not a thing you can do about it. And why do people treat you in the manner they do, because that is how you treated them for years whether they were the subject of your articles or those articles were just about people they supported. The shoe is on the other foot now and I wouldn’t expect things to change.

So, repeat after me, “Thank you sir. May I have another?”

At 8/09/2005 08:21:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

"So, despite all your yelling and blogging, you aren’t effective at effecting change."

I believe this should be "affecting change" and not "effecting change."

Grammar, people! We have a reputation to uphold!

At 8/09/2005 09:00:00 AM, Anonymous Not Sean's Piss Boy said...

"Grammar, people! We have a reputation to uphold!"

In the context given, effecting was proper as a synonym for implementing or achieving change. Affecting would have been proper is his actions had in some way affected an already completed action.

BTW, I'm not him.

At 8/09/2005 09:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really like post 8:05, but I have to go a little further. An underlying reason why we all hate Jim Young is that he epitomizes what is wrong with the Republican Party in Prince William County and across Virginia. The foul language, the personal and bitter assaults, the inane and often deceitful arguments, and the "win at all costs" attitude has made a shambles of the party and turned its principles into bumper sticker slogans. Making matters worse is that the new orthodoxy is changed and re-defined on an almost daily basis depending on which "RINO" is in the gun sights at that moment and/or which one of their own they want to defend. Amazingly, many use Christian platitudes to cover their nauseous actions that often violate one or more of the Ten Commandments let alone the teachings of the Christ. The party that Lincoln-Roosevelt-Reagan built has been reduced by a pack of parasitical hyenas that are always looking for another meal off the decaying flesh of the Republican Party in order to give themselves more sustenance. If we don't stand up and fight these people soon, and get the Republican Party to focus the State and Federal Governments on the challenges we face as a nation, I worry about the America we leave to our children.

At 8/09/2005 09:43:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

And let's keep in mind Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

I know that some people try to get around this by claiming the person they are going after is a "RINO" (Republican In Name Only) and not really a Republican. We really need to reserve that term for those truly deserving of it like Russ Potts who actively is working AGAINST another Republican candidate. We should not be, for example, throwing it around for individuals who want to cut taxes, but not as much as we might prefer them to. If someone claims to be a Republican, like Potts, who disagrees with the Party on everything from economic to social issues, then the RINO term is applicable.

As I've often heard from many within the conservative movement, "Don't make the ideal the enemy of the good." Reagan often asked for a full loaf, but took only half of it when that was all that he could get. The liberals and the Democrats advanced their agenda in America over a period of 60 years. We need that same kind of patience to engage in incrementalism to achieve our goals (although I hope that it doesn't take anywhere as long as it did for them to reach theirs.)

So, who in the PWC GOP can help begin bridging the divide and unite the party? Will it be someone in the party leadership or an elected official? If Sean pursues other opportunities in 2007, is there a consensus candidate out there for Chairman that both factions can get fully behind? Caddigan? Nohe? Covington? Stirrup?

At 8/09/2005 10:01:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't use the Reagan cliché - it makes a mockery of a great man. Young and his ilk have used the loyalty we all felt for the Republican Party to advance and destroy the very principles it stood for. Wake up now - there will not be a consensus candidate because they need to have someone to hate someone in order to validate their own positions and personal well-being.

At 8/09/2005 10:14:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

First, I don't consider it to be a cliché, but rather a guiding principle on how we as a party can be successful. It repudiates the personal animosity that threatens our party at every level and instead places the focus on ideas. Cal Thomas had an excellent op-ed piece back during the '96 primaries regarding this.

Surely if we turn the discussion to issues and ideas we can find much common ground to move forward with.

At 8/09/2005 10:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THEY will never allow it to become a discussion of issues and ideas because: (1) one has to do research and think; (2) there has to be acknowledgement that there is more than one side to an issue; and (3) there is a need to compromise to get things moving forward. Haven't you noticed by now that they never want to get into the details or put forward their own solutions? Once they do, it means dialogue and compromise which undermines the certainty of their slogans, and with it, their political strength. In their minds it is better to be the heckler in the stands then the player on the field because they won’t be subject to ridicule or second-guessing and they can come back week after week with impunity.

At 8/09/2005 10:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I love the Reagan slogan, (but it has been around since at least Teddy Roosevelt), but why is it okay for Denny, Bob, Jim and Rick to attack Republicans in public all the time using the phantom PWTA banner. Not only is this behavior found acceptable, the Republican Committee actually condones it!

At 8/09/2005 10:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I love the Reagan slogan, (but it has been around since at least Teddy Roosevelt), but why is it okay for Denny, Bob, Jim and Rick to attack Republicans in public all the time using the phantom PWTA banner. Not only is this behavior found acceptable, the Republican Committee actually condones it!

At 8/09/2005 10:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I love the Reagan slogan, (but it has been around since at least Teddy Roosevelt), but why is it okay for Denny, Bob, Jim and Rick to attack Republicans in public all the time using the phantom PWTA banner. Not only is this behavior found acceptable, the Republican Committee actually condones it!

At 8/09/2005 10:54:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

My point is that it is not acceptable to attack a fellow Republican. No one should condone it. Period. If a Republican personally attacks another Republican (as opposed to criticizing a specific issue in a civil manner), I will condemn that act.

I spent most of my time at the state level in Young Republicans here in Virginia (as General Counsel, RPV State Central Committeeman and Vice Chairman) working to heal a decade-long rift in the organization that had resulted in two separate groups claiming the name and mantle of the YRs.

It was when we actually started talking about issues and got away from personalities and past wrongs (real or perceived) that we got beyond it and were able to put it all back together. I genuinely hope that we can achieve similar results here.

The best that we can do is engage one another on the issues. If someone does not want to engage on the issues and resorts to personal attacks, I recommend doing what people on other internet message boards do -- ignore them. They'll go away when they don't receive the attention they are trying to get.

At 8/09/2005 11:03:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

I've been lurking around the political blogs for about six months now. In my travels, nothing has infuriated me more than the constant search and destroy missions for so-called "RINOs." As I've stated many times before, I do not believe in nor do I support every position that the Party takes on specific issues. Never have, never will. In short, I am what many would consider a "Rockefeller Republican": Moderate (not liberal) on many domestic and social issues, conservative on fiscal and foreign policy issues. Having said that, my beliefs regarding fiscal policy and the role of government typically outweigh my stance on domestic and social issues. Thus, I almost always vote for and support Republican candidates.

Given the current climate, I am a "RINO." What both fascinates and infuriates me is that many within the party believe that they can cull the herd of members like me and still win elections. In truth, the stronger and more virulent their quest becomes, the more support and influence the Party will lose, at all levels of government. Our party needs unity and a return to the "Big Tent" philosophy. If not, we might as well go our separate ways and create several smaller (though obviously less effective) parties.

As to Jim Young, hate is a very strong word. I, too, have been angered in the past by some of his articles and comments. When you are close to the people discussed and, as a result, know the facts and/or motivations are often misrepresented, it can be difficult to swallow. I certainly do not, however, hate the man. I will simply agree to disagree with him on tactics and engage in meaningful discourse with him on the issues when and where appropriate.

PS. John McCain in 2008!

At 8/09/2005 11:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone but McCain in '08!

At 8/09/2005 11:30:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Well put, Mitch. To use an actual cliché this time, people can disagree without being disagreeable.

I may be originally from NY, but by no means do I even remotely resemble a Republican of the stripe like that of my former governor. My political philosophy was forged in the heyday of the Reagan years during the 1980s and reinforced by my conservative Catholic upbringing and education (kindergarten through law school.)

While I probably have much in common with Mitch when it comes to fiscal and foreign policy issues, I'd probably be much closer to Denny, Bob, Jim and Rick on the domestic and social issues. My first campaign work in PWC was way back in '91 when I was still in law school and I was doing lit drops in Bob Marshall's first race for delegate. I didn't move to the county for another 10 years, but when I did, I backed Scott Lingamfelter in his primary (even though I didn't live in the district and couldn't vote for him.)

I recognize that people within the party may have legitimate philosophical differences on issues. That's fine and it strengthens us for the general election. It is only when they don't agree with the party on ANYTHING (like Russ Potts) that we should come out, guns ablazin' on a RINO hunt.

P.S. George Allen in 2008!!!

At 8/09/2005 11:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember that Potts is a survivor of a past RINO hunt in which he was the prey. He is proving that there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.

At 8/09/2005 11:47:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Potts will draw more votes from Kaine than he will from Kilgore. Potts blathering in the paper this morning that Kilgore is a "racist" proves just how far gone Potts really is.

At 8/09/2005 11:55:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

For a definition of a RINO, read this article on Russ Pott's positions.

At 8/09/2005 11:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter - you wound an animal and drive him into a corner, he will lash out uncontrollably until you or it are dead.

At 8/09/2005 04:05:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

The cliche has been around since Teddy's time. And Teddy's response, "I do not count party loyalty amongst my commandments."

I actually like that response because I do not think that party loyalty should ever be placed on the same level as the word of God. But hey, I guess the religious conservatives of our party have no issue with that.

PWTPA is a group of Republicans that love to attack other 'Pubs under a different name. It is unacceptable by their standards of "attacking other Repub's", but not when they use a different name.

Oh well.

At 8/10/2005 09:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Kilgore campaign continues to spin the claim that Potts’ candidacy will take away more votes from Kaine than from the Republican side of the ballot. It makes sense for campaign to dismiss the third party challenge in this way. But has any one seen any empirical evidence that validates their assertion? It seems that Kilgore’s lead in the polls took a significant hit after the first few debates when Potts garnered a lot of press with his cries that the Republicans were blocking him from participating. I worry about the impact this wounded animal could have in a race that shouldn’t be as close as it probably will be.

Warner has higher aspirations and needs to leave a legacy and have a campaign infrastructure in place for his next move – especially with a potential challenge from within his own state for the office he seeks. This is also one of only two statewide races across the country. The other, in New Jersey, will be decided in the democratic primary. That makes this the only game in town and the Democrats are going to pour a lot of resources into this to make sure they don’t lose ground nationwide.

At 8/10/2005 09:46:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Well, every poll with the exception of the Mason-Dixon poll has Kilgore up consistently by at least 6 over Kaine. The M-D poll results are being called into questions given that it is so out of line with every other poll that has been done in the state. That said, Potts is only at a few percent in the polls and his platform is for fully reinstating the car tax and abortion on demand. Given that he is running to the LEFT of Kaine, I don't see any traditionally GOP leaning voters heading his way.

At 8/10/2005 09:55:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

....And this thread is for discussion of 2007 in Prince William County, not the 2005 governor's race unless it somehow impacts PWC 2007, so let's please keep this on topic.

At 8/10/2005 10:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to get off topic Mr. Riley. Just responding to your post:

Riley, Not O'Reilly said...
Potts will draw more votes from Kaine than he will from Kilgore. Potts blathering in the paper this morning that Kilgore is a "racist" proves just how far gone Potts really is.

At 8/10/2005 10:42:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Mea culpa. I was the one who brought up Potts as an example of a true RINO in the context of the discussion of PWC 2007 and it went from there.

At 8/10/2005 11:09:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Anon 5:18 --- Try again, since I never claimed to have received "thousands" of votes. Once again, one of you cowardly attackers misrepresents what I said and attacks me for it. Does your dishonestly know no bounds?

On both occasions ('95 and '97), I got more than 1000 votes (might have been 1200), approximately 20% of the vote. That's obviously "a thousand or so more votes than you have ever gotten for anything in your pathetic life".... at least until you identify yourself so we can know if you've ever gotten even a single vote. But I know you Liberal Republicans like trotting out this old saw, in the mistaken belief that I particularly care or, oooo, this is such a good way to get Jim's goat. Rather peurile and sophomoric, actually.

Anon 9:17 -- You sound so much like Hector Quintana that it's scary. So what that my house has gone up in value? So long as I choose to live here, that's unrealized gain, and the only effect that it has is to increase my tax bill, at least, when a GOP-controlled Board has chosen to increase taxes by failing to reduce the rate sufficient to keep the bills flat, or relatively flat.

BTW, it's fascinating that your hatred of me is so all-consuming that you -- like Marty Nohe on another thread -- spent the time and energy to look up my tax records.

As for DJNWMA, don't flatter yourself. I recognize what motivates your anonymity -- cowardice, and your lack of accomplishment relative to mine -- and make my comments accordingly. What you so resent is the fact that I point it out for the general reader... assuming there are any. As for your claims, once again, you make grotesque generalizations without even pretending to support your claims with facts. Heck, even Jim Riley recognized that above. But thank you for making clear what is going on: whining "payback" -- your word, not mine -- from the jealous. The real resentments reflected here aren't about "misrepresentations"; there have been none. What they're about is seething resentment over someone unwilling to march happily to the fulfillment of Sean's ambitions. It's not about conservatives who've made "the perfect the enemy of the good," it's about conservatives who demand better from those who wish to be thought of as conservatives (for electoral advantage) but behave as liberals, and the resentments of liberals who (like liars) don't like it when their game is identified.

DJNWMA makes a single specific charge: that I would "even go so far as to attack a person’s grammar and syntax just to humiliate them." Funny, but I don't ever remember doing that, and I haven't been able to find in any of those few columns where I responded to letter writers -- on all but one occasion, when that individual attacked me not for a column, but for something other than an opinion I had writtten -- where I did so. Probably because I didn't as, even with word processors, the writing process frequently leaves errors without scrutiny. More than a few of my published columns slipped through with one or two such errors. And shame on you, Mitch, for "go[ing] so far as to attack a person’s grammar and syntax" in the very next post!

And DJNWMA can't even get the facts right about my columns. They were generally about issues. To the extent they were about individuals, they were about positions taken or questionable actions. If DJNWMA were as knowledgeable as he or she pretends to be, he or she would know that I was directed by the paper's managing editor during the later years of my column to direct them to local issues and personalities. And DJNWMA would also know that I never once mentioned anyone's failed marriage, or arrest, or rumored affair.

DJNWMA is not attacking my opinion, since he or she cites not even one; DJNWMA is attacking me with a screed, one which fails to have the support of even a single fact. I can think of a few people that it sounds like, mainly people who frequently make up facts to camouflage their own shortcomings and failings.

At 8/10/2005 11:48:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

In a belated response to Not Larry Sabato's question of:

"If Hilda wins that would leave Former Delegate Frederick looking for office as well as an open seat in Woodbridge. How about that? What happens then?"

First, as NLS pointed out over on his blog, the only good thing about the week that Hilda had last week was that it is pretty darn next to impossible for her to have another one equally as bad. Given her lackluster campaign so far and the contrast of Jeff's hard charging one, I don't think that this is something that we have to consider too seriously.

In response to the question, though, in the event that Hilda were somehow able to turn her ship around and win the race, my money would be on a 2007 rematch between Frederick and Barg. Jeff could compare their records in office and try to show that he was the more effective of the two for the district (his being in the majority party of the General Assembly vs. Hilda being in the minority party would go a long way here.) My gut tells me that Jeff's interests are more at the state level than county level and he might view a run for lower office as a step back.

My prediction is that Hilda loses the race for delegate and retires from the BOCS in 2007 leaving Woodbridge as an open seat. She lives on the Cherry Hill peninsula and developer KSI is buying up all the property there for $1M+ to build their Harbor Station planned community. I wouldn't be surprised if Hilda followed the example of her relatives in the Dent family, cashed in and moved to Florida or some other place where she could enjoy life and spend time with her family.

At 8/10/2005 11:58:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Gotta agree with Jim's last post. Unless Jeff self-destructs, I don't see Hilda winning this District. He works too hard, and money alone isn't enought to win (ask Jack Rollison).

At 8/10/2005 01:10:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we should look here for new candidates, it seems they're already ahead of the expected behavior curve.

"More allegations surface in Haymarket

Wednesday, August 10, 2005

After simmering for months, a murky stew of allegations and innuendos boiled over in Haymarket when a planning commissioner publicly revealed allegations that a town councilman had sexually harassed a deputy city clerk.

Planning Commissioner Dottie Leonard said during a town meeting Saturday that Councilman Jay Tobias had been investigated for sexual harassment, council members said.

It was the first time the allegations against Tobias were made public. The charges had already been discussed -- and dismissed -- by the council, but behind closed doors.

The airing of Tobias' dirty laundry seems to culminate several months of internal friction among Haymarket officials."

At 8/10/2005 02:09:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

Mike May for chairman is far fetched at best.

At 8/10/2005 02:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd have to agree with that. Mike is certainly has a promising future in electoral politics. But I think a run for Chairman at this point might be a stretch.

At 8/10/2005 02:46:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

What has May done since his 2003 lose? I rarely see him at party functions anymore.

At 8/10/2005 02:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could be in Haymarket, looks like they're having fun.

At 8/10/2005 08:29:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

This is the 150th comment onhtis thread, not counting the 8 that are currently on the other thread to links to this one. That is quite an accomplishment.

Unfortunately, if we don't count the posts that talk about how many posts there are; the deleted posts; the comments about the deleted posts; all the stuff about how terrible Sean Connaughton is that don't connect to what he is doing next and how that effects the political landscape; all the posts defending Sean Connaughton that don't connect to what he is doing next and how that effects the political landscape; corrections of grammar, spelling or syntax; the vulgarity of some people's handles; attempts to identify anonymous posters and the totally off-topic discussion about Russ Potts, you are left with maybe 90 posts.

Take out all of the vitriol from Jim Young and all of the responses to him; the stuff about the definition of a RINO; the "11th commandment" debate, and you're down to maybe 40 comments.

[Interestingly, Jim Riley is both the blogger most likely to remind posters to stay on topic AND the blogger most likely to stray from the topic.]

Does a record count if the numbers are padded?

At 8/10/2005 08:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is "J. Young" a woman? That persons responses seem like fighting with my wife!

At 8/10/2005 08:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does having man boobs qualify?

At 8/10/2005 10:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just thinking about anagrams and I came up with a few that sort-of apply to this blog. They are not meant to imply any otherwise unknown truths about these individuals. But simply as a wordgame, they are interesting nonetheless.

Too Conservative = Overactive Snoot
Mitch Cumstein = Chestnut Mimic
James Young = Enjoys Guam

Come to think of it, I do seem to recall that TC does have allergies, so his might be accurate. And I remember a Christmas party a few years ago when Mitch roasted himself over an open fire, just to impersonate a popular yuletide snack. And since Guam is a "right to work state" (or "right to work trust territory", as the case may be), he probably has at least some professional respect for the place.

At 8/11/2005 12:11:00 AM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Mitch's Wife -- I started the thread, so I can steer it off-course from time to time if it keeps it interesting.

At 8/11/2005 06:12:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

I roasted myself over an open fire at a Christmas party?

At 8/11/2005 10:26:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Anon 10:46 -- You are correct about Guam. A bastion of sanity (like Idaho and Nevada) in the otherwise insane Ninth Circuit.

Mitch 6:12 -- Well, maybe not.... but sometimes the thought appeals to me. ;-)


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