Saturday, October 22, 2005

Who's Lying Now? UPDATED

Well..here we are again. Phil Rodokanakis, now President of the Virginia Club for Growth, has proven once more he likes to stir up unnecessary, and untrue trouble for Republicans. Back before the Primary, Mr. Rodokanakis released his "Politics of Lies", an article bashing Chairman Sean Connaughton for his "out-right lies". Many Kilgore/Bolling supporters agreed with his article, and Bolling even had a huge link to the article on the front page of his website. Looks like the same man the self proclaimed hard-right supported, is not taking aim at the man leading the Republican ticket this November. Now Read this piece. Are you thinking what I was?: Not another Kaine attack piece? Ah those Democrats! Those are LIES! Well this piece is not from Tim Kaine, Russ Potts, the DNC, or the DPV. In an amazing move, Rodokanakis has wasted Club for Growth money, in an ATTACK Piece on JERRY KILGORE. Up here in Northern Virginia, races are already close enough with all the Republicans supporting their party. This piece, obviously aimed at a Republican audience, is simply disturbing. The money could have been spent on positive mailers for endorsed candidates such as Craddock or Golden. With Jerry Kilgore being the main state-wide candidate on television, sending out mailers, and with the historical trend that people vote for Governor/Lieutenant Governors as a pair, Phil Rodokanakis has just hurt the man he was trying to help in the primary,and the Delegates whom he continues to "support" today. The loyalties , and purpose of this organization seem to have been hijacked by a personal vendetta against certain candidates. Rodokanakis was an adamant supporter of Mayor George Fitch as well, and the piece against Kilgore continues to prove his favoritism. His logic continues to perplex me. Phil supported Fitch, who supported Connaughton. He spent numerous hours working for Mark Earley back in '01. Earley's fiscal platform was similar to Kilgore's. I would place Mr. Rodokanakis' recent actions in the same boat as Gary Reese. There is no need for this kind of Republican. UPDATE: I hadn't noticed it before, but the readers were correct. This mailing has fooled me. It was paid for by Kaine for Governor! ..But sent to Virginia Club for Growth members... At the bottom of the mailing is this: Is the Club for Growth working with Kaine?

38 Comments:

At 10/22/2005 07:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope people can realize that all of these Bolling/Black/Cuccinelli's do not care about our party, and only hurt it in hopes of their own personal power gain and agenda.

Shame on you Phil!

 
At 10/22/2005 07:51:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Phil is an "official" Republican (as in "member of the party").

And I guess it's his job to advance his organization's platform - it's NOT his job to get Jerry Kilgore elected.

Now, maybe Kilgore is the lesser of two "evils", but if he's not in tune with the Club for Growth policies, then what are they supposed to do - sit back and grin and bear it? Should they say, well, we can't make an issue of this because Kaine could win if we open our mouths? Not if the principles of this organization matter to the leadership.

And isn't that just what some of you folks carp about constantly - STAND UP FOR YOUR PRINCIPLES. Pragmatism be damned. Well, now you got it - the Club for Growth is standing up for their principles - and what do you do? You complain about it.

And this kind issue is where you get into real trouble when a leader of an organization like this is ALSO a leader of the Republican party. In Phil's case, it's not a conflict of interest, but in many cases it is HUGELY so. And will probably turn around and bite the republican party in the butt before too long if it continues.

 
At 10/22/2005 08:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I am not mistaken, Phil Rodokanakis is a member of the Fairfax County Republican Committee.

He is also one of the first Republican contacts I ever met, and I was ushered into the party by him.

He has served the party for many years.

The organization has no principles.It attacks honest people with lies.

I could MAYBE see in the primary an attack against a Republican(even though it was still lies)
but now..
This piece hurts the down ticket people, whom it claims to supports, and takes precious money away from their campaigns.

Principles, I think not.

 
At 10/22/2005 10:01:00 PM, Anonymous Chad said...

I am a supporter and member of the national Club for Growth, who are doing some good things.

I had been planning to become active in the Virginia Club for Growth, as well. No longer.

It's really bizarre that they would do this. Clearly, Kilgore is closer to the ideals of the Club for Growth than either of the other two candidates.

 
At 10/22/2005 10:07:00 PM, Anonymous tooconservative said...

I am glad to see it's not just me who feels that this was inappropriate.

 
At 10/22/2005 11:25:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you guys getting upset? The Prince William Taxpayers Alliance, which is controlled by members of the Prince William Republican Committee, have been doing stuff like this for years - even openly supporting Democrats (Davon Gray was one). Phil is close with the Taxpayers Alliance and helped set it up. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN -- THESE PEOPLE AREN'T REPUBLICANS!

 
At 10/23/2005 02:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He has it out for Kilgore, and the mailer is clearly intended to subjugate the GOP up ticket, so lets just take this into consideration the next time the club for growth wants something done in Richmond... your enemy's enemy is your ally - let them never find an ally in the GOP again.

 
At 10/23/2005 02:58:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks, please let me know what the lies are here. I couldn't read the fine print on the scan of the mailer unfortunately. I do know Phil and I know for him fiscal conservatism and limited government is a primary issue. Kilgore has not come out straighforward on the tax increase of 2004 and the current surplus. Last I checked the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan was for smaller government and limited taxes. Now I realize that Kilgore is trying to stay to the middle and get some votes from people who might find Kaine too liberal, but yet want bigger government, but it's very difficult for conservatives to continue to sit back and see our so-called party leaders not govern accrding to the tried and true principals conservatives have brought to the Republican Party over the last 40 years. I think Phil is just trying to keep Kilgore honest. He is a conservative first no doubt and a Republican second.

In the end I doubt anyone will change their vote based on this mailer, but they just might make a call to Jerry's folks to make sure he knows how they feel about taxes and big government.

I also know Ken Cussinelli personally and the man is truly interested in doing what's right for Virginia as opposed to being after his "own personal power gain". In fact that is why Cuccinelli is villified by so many, because he will stand by his principles and will not give in for political gain.

Again, I'd b interested in knowing what the lies are you say Phil is spreading.

 
At 10/23/2005 10:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check the authorization. The piece was mailed out by KAINE! He just took Phil's rant and pasted it into the mailer. Pretty slick move on the part of the Dems--it has done exactly what they wanted it to do--divide the Republicans. Attention all Republicans!!! Let's quit fighting with eachother and go kick some Democrat ASS on November 8th.

 
At 10/23/2005 10:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is that nice man talking about Cuccinelli? I can't find anything in the thread or in the post about Cuccinelli. Is he confusing Ken with Phil? (I happen to think Cuccinelli does pander to the likes of Phil, and is about as primitive on the issues as Rodakanakis and VCG, but there wasn't anything in the comments that should have provoked such a defensive reaction).

 
At 10/23/2005 10:21:00 AM, Anonymous Outraged Catholic said...

Stand by his principles? Mr. Cuccinelli loves to run around and tell everyone how he is such a devout Catholic and yet he backs Bolling in the primary who is not 100% pro-life, is very pro-death penalty, and infact is a Mason. If Mr. Cuccinelli truly held his faith as his number one guiding principle he would know that such an action is grounds for excommunication from the church!

Every elected politician has one thing in mind... POWER.

 
At 10/23/2005 10:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never mind. I see it in the first comment. Well, I don't disagree with that thought. These guys think they have a useful one-trick pony in the tax issue (although Black can always be counted on for some uproarious homo-bashing. They do great harm to the party and, until they are proprely placed in there very small corner, will handicap effort to bring good Republicans to positions of doing something for Virginia.

 
At 10/23/2005 10:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So who's the RINO now? Phil -- Is Jerry Kigore a RINO in your book?

 
At 10/23/2005 11:30:00 AM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

The really nasty thing about the Rodokanakis/Bolling (and I believe it was a collaborative effort) hit piece on Connaughton was that when you read it, there were no "lies." It was just that tired old stuff about how Connaughton's tax cuts weren't worth anything because of the increase in home values in PWC. It would have been OK for them to run with that point (and they certainly did) but "lies" had nothing to do with it. It was a vicious piece intended to take advantage of gullible, uninformed voters.

I never understood how Rodokanakis could support Fitch (who I think was a quality candidate and an excellent human being, but not ready for prime time statewide) and at the same time vilify Connaughton, whose accomplishments and philosophies were very similar to Fitch's but on a far vaster scale. When I pressed Rodokanakis on his antipathy for Connaughton vis-a-vis Bolling, who had a pretty lacklustre record of actual impact on taxes, his answer was that Connaughton hadn't signed The Pledge and that Bolling had always been available and open to VCG positions. I always felt that I'd rather have the skill set than the access, but Phil knows what he wants and I can't force him to accept my tastes as substitutes for his.

VCG's Kilgore attack is more nuanced, but it's coming from the same poisoned well. I even wonder whether Phil's fancy for and close collaboration with Bolling has something to do with this. The Democrats handed Bolling a cakewalk race, he has the only easy win of our three races. If Kilgore falters, that leaves Phil's champion ascendant as the only Republican in the limelight (this scenario also hypothesizes a McDonnell loss, which I hope does not happen, but that race also seems close). I have the decided theory that Bolling and limelight do not get along well with each other, but I doubt Rodokanakis has figured that out yet. There may be a plot afoot to elevate Bolling on the right by adding to Kilgore's troubles now. In any event, I hope Republicans actively shun VCG and these antics. Like Chad, I have agreed with Grover on many of his national positions, but it loses a lot in translation down to the state and local level. They are definitely a negative in their efforts to paint the Party into a corner.

 
At 10/23/2005 11:45:00 AM, Blogger too conservative said...

..I am still sitting here with my mouth dropped...wondering WHY?

 
At 10/23/2005 11:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phil wrote on the Bacon's Rebellion website in the primary election that he was NOT a member of the republican party. Used to be. But was no longer a member.

 
At 10/23/2005 11:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea ... what is this all about ... it was paid for by KAINE .. not the club for growth ... you should clean up this post about using "Club for Growth money"- thats completely inaccurate!

 
At 10/23/2005 11:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHERE does it say it was paid for by Kaine?

I don't see that on the picture posted here. Do you have a copy at home where you can see that it is from Kaine?

Very sneaky if that's the case!

I'd like to get a look at the info in question if anyone has it to post! Thanks!

 
At 10/23/2005 12:24:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you all blind? If you look at the image with Kilgore's picture on it, and look closely to the right of his picture the disclaimer CLEARLY reads that it was paid for by KAINE. It is a brilliant way to try and suppress Repubican voters. It sucks no doubt, but it is a smart move by Kaine's people. One of very few I have seen to date.

 
At 10/23/2005 12:53:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

I see the fine print. I still have no use for the way VCG tries to dumb down political discourse in Virginia, but if this is a piece that has no VCG involvement, it is very deceptive and intentionally so. Very dirty, even by local standards. The piece alternates between quoted and unquoted material. I assume the quotes are from VCG's press release on the 10th of October. But a lot of the other language is typical of what VCG or any other organization would put in to stimulate membership and contributions. So, if VCG knew nothing about this and gave no consents, it is a very deceptive and nasty piece of propaganda.

 
At 10/23/2005 02:46:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Yes...I didn't even see that.

It is paid for by Kaine for Governor.

Wow.

 
At 10/23/2005 03:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know for a fact that Republicans running for office this year even got this mailer!

 
At 10/23/2005 03:23:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an independent voter, with no ties to any party, I must admit that this tactic has me thinking twice about who to vote for.

I've seen lots of hit pieces from both sides. Don't mind them a bit. And I disagree with the VCG about many things. But to send out a mailer that looks like it is from them is REALLY below the belt. You need a friggin' magnifying glass to see that this is from Kaine. Many things that go on in campaigns are NOT approved at the top and so I make sure not to hold those things against the candidate. This clearly was approved at the top.

Now I've got to way the deceptive Kilgore/Hitler ads vs. the deceptive Kaine/VCG mailer. Hmmm. At this point, I think BOTH of these guys are trash and beneath the voters of Virginia. Two sleazy, lying candidates. What a great choice.

 
At 10/23/2005 03:24:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops - weigh in the last paragraph, not way!

 
At 10/23/2005 04:18:00 PM, Anonymous Chad said...

D'oh!

 
At 10/23/2005 04:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just because the mailer was paid for by Kaine does not excuse the CFV. The material quoted is all directly from Phil's mouth. Maybe he only meant it to go out to activists and anti-taxers--but you know what they say, "don't put anything in an email that you wouldn't want the whole world to see." Bottom line, if Phil doesn't spout off, the Dems don't have any material to mail.

 
At 10/23/2005 06:51:00 PM, Blogger Ben Kyber said...

He is attacking Kilgore because Kilgore is a cut and spender...

Not exactly the Club for Growth's cup of tea.

 
At 10/23/2005 09:51:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Weird political science! What is the logic behind Kaine's anti-tax mailer after touting his legacy with the Warner tax increases?

~ the blue dog

 
At 10/23/2005 10:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In answer to your update question in red, I'm sure the club is NOT working with Kaine. This is a simple durty trick of Kaine using the CFG press release against Kilgore. CFG is simply trying to send a message to voters to keep Kilgore honest on the tax and spend issue, their primary one.

 
At 10/23/2005 11:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the key to unlocking the mystery of the mailer (I hadn't noticed the tiny print by the picture -- does that even meet the requirements of Virginia's disclosure law? I would have thought they would require the type on the disclosure be the same size as the majority of the mailer).

But right in the middle of this mailer was the following sentence:
"The Virginia Club for Growth called on its members..."

Note: It doesn't say "calls", it says "called". Obviously written by someone describing another event, NOT something you would say in a mailer if you were the one doing the calling.

Kaine is running ads on TV saying he won't raise taxes, and Kilgore will raise taxes. Also Kilgore will raid the education fund to pay for roads, while Tim somehow will fix the roads without any more money. But didn't Kaine/Warner raid the "general fund" to pay for roads this year, by voting some of the surplus to pay off old road bonds? Isn't that using the general fund for roads?

So, Kaine attacks Kilgore on multiple levels for being too "kaine-like".

 
At 10/24/2005 06:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANON:10:32

This mailer was sent to harcore Party members, and even some Republicans running for elected office.

Either Kaine's stupid wasting money on them, or he did get the VCG mailing list.

 
At 10/24/2005 12:09:00 PM, Blogger neocon22 said...

were they sent exclusively to vcg members?
steve sisson, i have often asked myself the same question.

 
At 10/24/2005 01:19:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Steve, to answer your question, I think the goal here is to get anti-tax conservatives to stay home, and is a sign of the increasing desparation of the Tim --- Mark-Warner-Has-A-70%-Approval-Rating- Kaine and the far Left. However, I have to believe that those to whom this piece was mailed are sophisticated enough to recognize it as a hit piece from Kaine, and more than a little bit sleazy.

What I want to know is, will the dudgeon of all of our friends on the far Left be as high as it was against Kilgore's death penalty ads?

 
At 10/24/2005 03:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neocon22 - my guess is that Kaine mailed this to all republican primary voters in an effort to suppress the turnout of Kilgore's base. The election in November hinges on the efforts of both campaigns to turn out their base of support, and I think Kaine is stooping to desperate measures like these in an effort to keep Jerry's voters at home.

If I were a flaming pro-tax liberal like Tim Kaine - that's what I would do. From a purely political strategy point of view - kudos to Kaine's campaign for designing a pretty sneaky piece that will leave Republicans in a state of anger, confusion and possibly some doubt -- all wondering in the back of their minds, is Jerry really as anti-tax as he says?

 
At 10/24/2005 05:00:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

I got the mailer and I am not a VCG member, although I am active in the RPV and have been involved in anti-tax initiatives at the federal level. Checking around, it seems clear it was a targetted list and seemed to go to Republican activists. I don't see what it accomplishes. James may be right that it is an attempt to suppress votes from a segment of the GOP, but I doubt it could have that effect when the choice is Kilgore/Kaine. I think the main effect will be to suppress VCG membership and influence within the GOP. Has VCG denounced the mailer? Given that it's simply a recap of what they already said, it's a bit awkward for them, but they probably would be better off making clear that they in no way cooperated (unless they cooperated).

 
At 10/25/2005 03:40:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

neocon22: The mailers were not sent out to VA Club for Growth members, but to a GOP membership list.

The Blue Dog didn't receive a Kaine direct mailer, but I'm a member of the Club for Growth.

~ the blue dog

 
At 10/25/2005 08:33:00 AM, Anonymous vasportsmen said...

I'm not a Club for Growth member but I received the mailing yesterday. I presumed that did a voter sort on people who had voted in every Republican Primary in the last few years (I have voted in every Republican Primary since 1997).

 
At 10/25/2005 12:36:00 PM, Anonymous Steve Nelson said...

Boy was this clever! Of course, it wasn't a lie unlike the Hitler ads were. The CFG people did write this! Kaine just paid to distribute it.

 

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