Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Lingamfelter:"I don't see this as a refutation of conservative values"

The Daily Press ran an article today regarding the continuing push of conservative values in the Virginia legislature Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter, who also is one of the state's most conservative lawmakers, said he doesn't buy the notion that Black and Marrs were doomed by their right-of-center ideology. He said both were dragged down by Republican Jerry Kilgore's failed campaign for governor. "I don't see this as a refutation of conservative values at all," said Lingamfelter, R-Prince William, who noted that other high-profile social conservatives were re-elected. Black brought down by Kilgore?

17 Comments:

At 12/28/2005 10:56:00 AM, Blogger GOPHokie said...

Black certainly had his own missteps, but Kilgore didn't help him any.

 
At 12/28/2005 11:08:00 AM, Anonymous The Ghost of Tom Joad said...

Gophokie-

So if this were '07, Black would have won?

Could it have been the changing dynamics of the region? This area (NOVA) is becoming increasingly more Democratic than a lot of people think. I think Black was going down sooner or later no matter what.

 
At 12/28/2005 11:16:00 AM, Blogger too conservative said...

gotj-In Blacks case that is what i believe.

Kilgore did not bring Black down..I live in the district bordering Black's. It was changing dynamics as Fairfaxers move further West(which can be seen by Loudoun having the highest median income), and suburban housing continuing to take the place of rural housing.

 
At 12/28/2005 12:03:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

Lingamfelter is a bit out of touch. He focuses entirely too much on social issues and not enough on dealing with the issues facing our district (i.e. transportation, education, public safety).

Oh, and by the way, thanks for your work on proffers, Scott. If you're not going to bring money back to the County, at least let us work with what we have to use.

 
At 12/28/2005 12:17:00 PM, Anonymous The Ghost of Tom Joad said...

tc-

I agree with you. I don't think Kilgore brought Black down. I live two districts away in the 35th. There is a definite change in the air and the Democrats would be wise to challenge every seat in NOVA no matter how impossible it seems.

 
At 12/28/2005 12:25:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Now I do agree with Delegate Lingamfelter that the defeat of some of these more conservative members of the House should not mean we all pander to the Democrats..but as far as what you are talking about Mitch, I agree.

Conservative principles can be applied to transportation, education, and other services.

 
At 12/28/2005 03:26:00 PM, Blogger nova_middle_man said...

In rural areas values have greater impact. The suburban issue that trumps traffic education and taxes is growth. Growth is complicated. There are some republicans who are anti-growth. There are some democrats who are pro-growth. In Loudon the board has flipped from growth to anti-growth and now back to growth. I will be watching Fairfax County closely in 2007. Will the superviors be flushed out and replaced with slow/anti growth advocates.... ???? tbd

 
At 12/28/2005 03:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black was brought down by Jerry. When you're a candidate concerned with family/conservative values, and the top of the ticket for your party is seen as being lax on those values, of course it will hurt you at the polls!

 
At 12/28/2005 04:16:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

Kilgore was a very conservative candidate. Not sure where all this fuss about his being some sort of lefty is coming from. Now Russ Potts, he ran way over to the left. He may have gotten over to the other side of Kaine. But ther's absolutely no way any half-alert observer would describe Kilgore as not being a conservative candidate. Is that what Lingamfelter is really saying? Anon 1543 seems to be saying that. That one must be tongue-in-cheek.

 
At 12/28/2005 04:28:00 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said...

What Lingamfelter was saying is that Dick Black's district usualy votes GOP but Kilgore there. That is what led to his decline.
No one thinks Kilgore was liberal (except maybe the VCG or something), but that he had a weak showing which spilled over into other races.
GOTJ, I do not think Dick Black would have lost had there not been such a poor showing at the top of the ticket. Would he probably lose down the road? Yes.

 
At 12/28/2005 06:04:00 PM, Blogger Gone said...

Ultimately, you can only blame the candidate running.

Kilgore and Black lost their races all by themselves in my opinion.

 
At 12/28/2005 07:34:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Agreed.

 
At 12/28/2005 09:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black has one of the most affluent and best educated districts in Virginia. His antics, such as calling his opponent "poison" instead of his real name, killed him with these folks.

 
At 12/28/2005 11:44:00 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said...

Black has used those antics for a good while. He got beat in the same year a GOP governor candidate lost Loudoun County for the first time in the recent past.
You connect the dots.
All the "Bible thumpers" performed worse than usual, but so did Kilgore.
Those same "Bible thumpers" ran ahead of Kilgore, but he lost too bad to carry them.
I doubt you can find many seriously challenged delegate candidates who ran as far ahead of Kilgore as Black, Marshall and Craddock.
As I have said before, Black and Craddock certain did plenty to hurt themselves, but part of their demise was the weak showing of the statewides.

 
At 12/29/2005 01:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

agreed, GOPHokie!

 
At 1/03/2006 04:47:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

You know, Mitch, every time I read something you write about Lingamfelter, I get the sense that you're either Buck Waters or a supporter of his. Sounds a lot like sour grapes.

 
At 1/04/2006 11:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth be told, I don't think I've ever formally met Buck Waters. I've never actively supported him for anything. I don't recall having made more than a few comments about Lingamfelter in the past. But I will say that, as one of his constituents, I have been very disappointed in his priorities and some of his initiatives.

Cheers,

Mitch

 

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