Friday, December 09, 2005

Not Suprised

NLS reports that Bill Bolling is going to raise money for a PAC, which only supported the anti-tax challengers. What a way to unite.


At 12/09/2005 12:26:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

Of course there's no surprise. Bill Bolling is a CONSERVATIVE. So why wouldn't he raise money for a PAC that wants to elect them? It's not like Bolling is refusing to raise money for others in the party as well. The VCAP is not going away because it didn't win this time. It has nothing to do with getting along with moderates. It has to do with promoting conservative candidates.

At 12/09/2005 12:34:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

As i commented on NLS..this is was to devisive for a man elected to represent not just all Virginians, but all Republicans.

He has just alienated 40% of the Republicans in the legislature, I'd like to see him win a primary for Governor.

At 12/09/2005 12:56:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

Sorry TC, if conservative Republicans raising money to elect conservatives is that offensive to "moderates" perhaps they need to get some thicker skin. If moderates want to raise money for moderates, more power to them. I have no qualms with that.

At 12/09/2005 12:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally someone who will stand up for what the party believes in ... i'm tired of these "moderates" in the Senate.

At 12/09/2005 01:00:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

It has nothing to do with moderate/conservative.

Some of the people the VCAP organization doesnt agree are full-blown conservatives, so lets not use titles.

Its the principle of it, that our highest elected offical would work against his own party, seems to weaken it.

At 12/09/2005 01:11:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

The use of "conservative" and "moderates" has gotten so distorted that it has no meaning any more. Bolling made "moderate" synonymous with anyone who wasn't with him. It worked as a campaign gimmick but it means nothing programmatically or philosophically. These labels are getting in the way of sound thinking on a lot of issues. Maybe we ought to put them on ice for a decade and find other ways to express ourselves.

At 12/09/2005 01:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then how would you like to characterize Chichester & Co.? They aren't conservative ... i'm not sure they're really Republicans anymore. They just love their power.

At 12/09/2005 02:09:00 PM, Anonymous politico said...

Good Post - I hate the term RINO as well. Isn't it interesting that the VA Club for Growth uses it so often, yet they claim to be a non-partisan organization simply created to oppose any and all tax increases? Who are they to decide who is a Republican and who isn't? If they are a non-partisan organization, don't they only have the right to refer to Elected Officials as "supportive of" or "against" a particular tax increase? In order to maintain a majority in Virginia, the Republican Pary must be a big tent. So-called "moderate" Republicans and "conservative" Republicans all have an R next to their name when they vote for the Speaker. This past election makes it more clear than ever that the Virginia GOP, as well as the National GOP needs to start talking about the issues that bring the Republican base and independent voters TOGETHER - not issues that divide the base from independents. The oppositie strategy worked for President Bush in 2004, but I think the current environment makes it clear that it will not work again any time soon.

At 12/09/2005 02:15:00 PM, Anonymous politico said...

Apologies, my previous post was meant to be under the comments of "Ok Kids...grab some Carpet"

At 12/09/2005 03:49:00 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said...

I persoanlly do not see the huge deal of Bolling headlining this fundraiser.
Have any pro-tax raiser groups approached him to headline their fundraisers?
TC, my best advice is for you to start showing people how conservative Chairman Sean really is instead of trying to attack Bolling all the time.
It didnt work last primary and it won't work in the next one.

At 12/09/2005 04:06:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

This has nothing to do with Connaughton being conservative or not.

If any elected Republican, was headlining a fundraiser which did not support our party I would be angry.

It is just devisive. You don't agree that working to raise money for an organization which weakens our party is bad?

At 12/09/2005 04:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TC is anything but a conservative... so of course he hates seeing republicans use "titles" because these will always label him as being further to the left.

It also explains why he hates seeing TRUE CONSERVATIVES raising money to support the tax payers of this state.

At 12/09/2005 05:04:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

thats right've got me red handed.

I am a squishy, left-wing Kerry-loving, babykilling zealot.

Did I mention a RINO!?

ha. I am conservative through and through anon.

At 12/09/2005 05:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're pretty squishy when it comes down to the issues... but I know you love to claim to be "Conservative", which is kind of cute.

Gary Reese did the same thing. And I'm fairly certain that you supported HIM during the primary.

You can call yourself a 'duck' all you want... but that doesn't mean that are one.

At 12/09/2005 05:16:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

I am squishy on the issues?

Which issues are these?

At 12/09/2005 05:22:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TC, for someone who seems to get pretty offended when people label some republicans as RINOs and Moderates, you certainly seem to be more willing to label the anti-tax primary challengers as bad republicans.

They stood up for their views during the primaries. And I'll point out that when they lost, none of them went and endorsed Democrats (cough cough Gary Reese).

At 12/09/2005 06:44:00 PM, Anonymous mitch's wife said...

What are you talking about anon? I don't recall him ever calling Craddock a bad Republican. Indeed, TC was a full time operative for Chris "I cannot forgive people who don't subscribe to my brand of Christianity" Craddock.

At 12/09/2005 07:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm merely drawing the only logical conclusion I can given his previous comments. We're not talking about Chris Craddock specifically here, it's the anti-tax primary guys as a group and TC's tendancy to label them as bad, or unworthy, or whatever derisive label you'd care to apply, seemingly only for the fact that they had the gall to run against pro-tax incumbents.

TC said: "If any elected Republican, was headlining a fundraiser which did not support our party I would be angry."

So apparently he believes that the primary challengers don't support out party. Doesn't sound like something any good republican would do.

Also on the Not Larry Sabato Blog, TC said:
"For him to be spending his time raising money for people like Oprison and Kenney is stupid, devisive, and hurts himself"

TC must think that Oprison and Kenney are bad Republicans, because surely raising money for good Republicans is never "stupid."

I'd reference several of his other comments over at Not Larry Sabato, but they're rather numerous. I invite you to check them out yourself:

At 12/09/2005 07:59:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

"I cannot forgive people who don't subscribe to my brand of Christianity"

Mitch's wife, where did you get that quote that you seem to ascribe to Chris Craddock? It wouldn't happen to be another one from The Blade would it????

At 12/09/2005 09:41:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

What are you even talking about!?

anon- I do not believe they are bad republicans, but that they ran for the wrong reasons.
People should not run on one issue. Especially in NOVA..where some of these guys run around only on tax and life. It does work anymore. You can be pro-life, and want prayer in schools...but the everday issues are being left out.

I have condemed Reese and Dillards actions numerous times. But lets look at more than just right her. I've given numerous examples before of defeated conservativesrunning against the victor.

Oprison moved here from California..and had not established himself as a community leader before running. Many of these people hadnt.

I get pissed off when all these anonymous people call Tom, Sean, Tom Rust, Joe May RINOS...because they are not RINOS.

Would the REVEREND PAT ROBERTSON endorse anyone who was squishy IN THE LEAST? I am seriously beginning to deeply ponder if there is something in the water...because some of the people the virginia "conservatives" call moderates are not. Just because someone talks about issues the average voter cares about..does not mean that they lack religiously conservative values.

At 12/09/2005 10:30:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...


It seems to me that all the conservative candidates I know all are concerned with the every day issues. Unfortunately those on the left and the "moderate" Republicans that join them are far too often making far too much of their views on "life" and "prayer" and "taxes" for that matter.

Example: Just because someone is in favor of low taxes, small government and school choice does not mean they are out to "destroy our public education system". This is one that was used liberally (no pun intended) this last cycle. It seems that the real problem alot of moderates have with conservatives is the "one issues" you speak of. Doesn't this make the "moderates" "one issue" voters themselves? Otherwise, why would a moderate, or fiscal conservative even have such visceral hatred for conservatives who agree with them on most of the "every day" issues?

At 12/09/2005 10:51:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

I never said that they were out to destroy..

But their campaigns were spawned off a tax issue...thus...they should be used to getting that one issue thrown at them.

At 12/10/2005 11:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rightwing Extremist:

Take a step back and remember that you're talking to a high-schooler here. Sound logic isn't going to cut it.
The biggest problem here is that the blogosphere provides a mouthpiece for uninformed armchair QB's who have never held a political job in their life.
Also, might I point out the apparent humor in this entire argument? You are being lectured by a Connaughton supporter who calls himself "too-conservative." In the annuals of all misnomers, this one rivals "Sportsmen for Kaine."
My point is this... don't get all worked up about what some little kid writes on his blog. We all knew that the commentary on this blog was elementary at best. Now we know why.

At 12/10/2005 12:15:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

Anon. 11:44 AM, then why are YOU here, posting a comment under complete anonymity. I would think that you would prefer to play in someone else's sandbox.

At 12/10/2005 03:44:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...


It seems to me that I am the one with the logic on my side. A Republican who headlines a fundraiser for an organization which targets republicans..??

You have put labels on people, but have no facts to back up anything you say.

The problem with the people such as yourself who say stupid comments anonymously..and can never be held accountable for them.

At 12/10/2005 03:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone who relies mainly on Democrat crossover vote to win a primary IS NOT a Republican, no matter what letter is next to their name.
Bill Bolling is strengthening the party by attempting to disallow non-Republicans from hijacking our elected offices.

At 12/11/2005 06:45:00 AM, Anonymous NOVA Scout said...

Republicans cannot win in Northern Virginia without an ability to draw Democratic and non-aligned voters. It's no sign of ideological heresy, it's just arithmetic. Conversely, you can be 99.99% ideologically pure and get your butt kicked by the electorate up here. This reality is expanding and will not go away in Virginia politics.

A philosophically sound conservative with good credentials for running or promoting honest, efficient government (or success in other areas of endeavor) can draw across party lines without compromising any matter of fundamental importance. A lot of this thread is just using labels to smear candidates that the commentator doesn't care for personally.

At 12/11/2005 11:43:00 PM, Blogger criticallythinking said...

An organization that supports republican challengers in primaries is not "anti-republican".

That argument can only lead to the conclusion that an incumbent should never face a primary challenge, or that if they do, no republican organization or individual should give any money to the challenger.

I disagree strongly. While I would agree that primary challenges tend to weaken our party in the general election, they are a necessary component of our democracy, especially when districts are drawn to make general-election challenges almost useless.

For example, look at the 50th district, Harry Parrish. There was no way a democrat was going to effectively challenge for that seat in November.

Which means that, unless there was a primary challenge, Delegate Parrish could do anything he wanted to do, without regard to representing his district -- it would be like getting a lifetime appointment to the seat (that it appears that way anyway is a testament to the degree to which Parrish DOES effectively represent his district).

If VCAP had supported a democrat against any republican in the last election cycle, I would totally agree that our lt governor-elect, as the highest-ranking elected republican, should NOT raise money for the organization.

But so long as VCAP is supporting republicans, I don't see it being 'un-republican' that they don't always support the incumbents.

After all, Potts is an incumbent republican, and I for one think the republicans MUST run someone against him in the next primary -- and I'm guessing VCAP will fund that challenger.


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