Friday, December 02, 2005

Two years out from the primaries and its shaping up to be Allen vs. McCain

Sure we're still a little over two years before the first voters trudge through the snows of Iowa to participate in the caucuses. But at yesterday's Hotline/UVA American Democracy conference, top GOP pollsters and strategists gave their predictions for who the GOP nominating contest will come down to. Every single one of them named our very own Sen. Allen along with Sen. McCain as being the top tier. Most had a third in the top tier, but there were no duplicates among them. A lot can happen between now and Jan. 2008, but Allen continues to do everything right.


At 12/02/2005 10:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go McCain!

At 12/02/2005 10:22:00 AM, Blogger Willis said...

I love seeing Allen up there.

At 12/02/2005 11:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

way, way too early for this kind of talk.

At 12/02/2005 11:28:00 AM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

It is a bit early, but if the GOP wants to remain in the White House, I really think the choice has to be McCain. Allen will remind the average voter too much of GWB, both in approach and experience. A good Democrat (not sure who that would be at this point) would beat him. McCain, on the other hand, represents something different. He's a war hero and long-term, relatively moderate Senator. Now, I know there are those who say that a Senator has a tough road based on the complexities of voting records. But, at the end of the day, after four terms of former Governors, the people will be ready for a change. Let's be honest, Clinton and Bush aren't exactly the best role models for moving from the Governor's Mansion to the White House.

Considering where we will likely be in 2008, a conservative (particularly a social conservative) is going to have a very difficult time winning over the moderates needed to carry an election. Like it or not, the GOP's only hope is someone like McCain. Nominate Allen and we'll likely be hearing "Hail to the Chief" for Mark Warner instead of a Republican.

At 12/02/2005 04:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Allen continues to do everything right."

Well, aside from making everyone that works under him decide that he's a real ass and go and work for someone else. Highest staff turnover and dissatisfaction rate in the entire Senate, this guy. Allen comes across as affable in public, but in private, he's an unhinged petty tyrant. We need a candidate that his own people actually like and can get behind and believe in.

At 12/02/2005 04:58:00 PM, Blogger criticallythinking said...

I keep wondering if one of the "anonymous" posters here is a former Allen employee.

Since 4 years ago all I heard was how we needed to pick McCain to defeat the Gore juggernaut, I think I'll choose the guy who would be the best President, not the guy who the moderates tell me to pick.

Meanwhile, somehow Mitch manages to argue that we need McCain because people are tired of picking former governors, and then says if we nominate Allen we'll end up with Warner as president. If people are tired of former governors, how is Warner getting in? If people are reminded of lack of experience with Allen, how do you think they will feel about a guy who's entire public experience is 4 years as a 1-term governor during a time when apparently a trained monkey could turn a state around?

Warner isn't even in the top 5 most popular Governors within their own state now.

Plus, while moderate republicans urge us to pick a "moderate", there is no way MoveOn is ever going to let the Democrats pick Warner. And if the Democrats DO pick a moderate, it will be the fake moderate Hillary Clinton (who is also in trouble now because she isn't liberal enough about Iraq).

I don't know if, in the end, Allen will be presidential material, or if he'll end up as somebody's VP (wonder if McCain would pick an Allen to shore up his social conservative base -- you know McCain was a pretty well-ranked social conservative in his day).

The real problem with McCain is that the media can DESTROY HIM any time they want, because he says a lot of stupid things. The media has NOT destroyed him because they want him to win a nomination first. He's like a manchurian candidate, not for the reasons some people think, but because he's the candidate the media is pushing on the republicans in the hopes we'll pick him thinking that he's the media darling. Then, as soon as he's the candidate, they will start with the negative stories, and we'll be left holding the bag.

At 12/02/2005 07:21:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

Don't trust McCain any further than you can throw him.

The D's have dreams of McCain being the nominee. They dream so much they are even trying to pick him for us. Beware - ever wonder why they love him soo much? Because they will destroy him in a general election. The closet will be opened.

McCain is bad bad bad news.

Respect him for his history in the war, but fear him in politics.

At 12/02/2005 11:20:00 PM, Blogger Mitch Cumstein said...

"Meanwhile, somehow Mitch manages to argue that we need McCain because people are tired of picking former governors, and then says if we nominate Allen we'll end up with Warner as president."


If our choice is only between former Governors (i.e. Allen and Warner), one will obviously win by default.

As a moderate, I don't expect "true conservatives" to listen to me on this. And that's fine. I just hope enough of my fellow moderates participate and make the best choice. Wishful thinking, I know, but one has to have hope.


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