Monday, January 16, 2006

Apparently We Saw Different Speeches...

I have been meaning to post on the subject of the Gay Marriage amendment last week. I fianlly got motivated to say something though after I viewed this post over on Daily Kos. Now, this along with the sentiment that Englin did an effective job fighting the amendment in the P&E Committee leaves me kind of shocked really. This guy did a horrible job! In P&E Englin took what could have been a two minute argument and stuttered/stammered his way through it five minute after it should have been completed. He seemed as if he had never spoken publicly before. I however gave him the benefit of the doubt and told myself it was probably jitters from his first speech as a Delegate. Then last Friday I watched him give his speech to the full House on the TV system in the GAB. Well, everyone (including Dem Staffers) were laughing at how absolutely ridiculious he looked and sounded. His arms were flailing all around and it looked like his head was about to explode. He again stuttered and stammered his way through his speech. Not to mention that in all of this at least one Delegate was visibly asleep and many members of both caucuses were in the back of the chamber laughing. Fact is this-- Englin did not do a good job representing the position or presenting his speech before either group of people. I suggest the Dems slow down at making him the second coming of Jesus Christ. Oh.... Before everyone jumps on me about being anti-gay marraige and a GOP "Hardliner" I would point out that I have made it clear on this blog that I am against the amendment as a "social libertarian". I think the man just did a bad job.

16 Comments:

At 1/16/2006 04:07:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

The Daily Kos has a pretty formidable reality filtration system rigged up.

 
At 1/16/2006 04:38:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Why should the far Left let facts get in the way of their causes? They could've just lionized the guy for content, and left it at that. But no, they had to lionize this guy as the second coming of Churchill, nihilistic far Left division.

Pathetic.

 
At 1/16/2006 06:05:00 PM, Blogger Ben Kyber said...

The fact that he was nervous and did what his heart told him to is more than admirable.

Its heroic.

I didn't see the speech. I just read it on Raising Kaine. It was an amazing display of bravery, stuttering or not.

 
At 1/16/2006 06:11:00 PM, Blogger James E. Martin said...

If you can't attack the speech, attack the presentation.

 
At 1/16/2006 06:21:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

If the content was good, we'll give him full marks for that. I didn't understand Mr. JMS or Mr. Young to be disparaging the content, just observing that gilding the lily detracts from the credibility of the overall reporting.

 
At 1/16/2006 06:48:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Typical of the far right, to judge presentation as more important than substance.

 
At 1/16/2006 06:49:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...

As Nova Scout pointed out-- I did not attack the content at all. Infact, I agree with much of what he said (I knew the Dems would ignore that final line in my post).

The point I was making is that it was in no way charismatic or inspiring. It was a poor speech that many of my high school debate teammates could have presented better when we were 16.

 
At 1/16/2006 07:06:00 PM, Blogger Virginia Centrist said...

For the record - I was just pointing it out because I found interesting that a dem delegate got so much attention on a national blog.

 
At 1/16/2006 07:58:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Credit to nova scout for fairness, since he seems to have actually read and understood the comments.

Interesting comment, Willis. I have attacked the content (see my comment on Raising Kaine, nova scout, which is where I differ from mr jms). I have no personal knowledge of the presentation, and rely entirely upon the reporting of the original post, though I would extend the original comments to note that both the presentation and the content were worthy of 16-year-olds, since it Englin's comments reject the considered wisdom of 5000 years of human civilization. But typical of the far Left, disparage all opposition as "far right."

And that's bold talk, willis, from someone who, I presume, was a supporter of Bill Clinton.

 
At 1/16/2006 08:59:00 PM, Anonymous NOVA Scout said...

I'm not a Raising Kaine type of guy, James. I'll deviate (poor choice of words, that)from practice and go over to take a looka t what you said. Since you purport to be a conservative, I assume in advance that you took your best shot at this sloppily crafted, overly braod and intrusive exercise of irrationally discriminatory statism into the realm of religious and moral practice. We agree on far more than we disagree. The difference between us is our sense of people and their motivations and our sense of how one translates principles into political power.

 
At 1/16/2006 10:00:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

Interesting how all the libs are now defending a politician who apparently can't speak his way publicly out of a wet paper bag. I seem to remember them having a different perspective about a conservative candidate in the 67th who had difficulty with his public speaking skills.

 
At 1/16/2006 10:37:00 PM, Blogger James E. Martin said...

It was an excellent speech and you guys are only upset becuase a freshman democratic delegate got national attention for standing up for gay-rights/civil rights.

 
At 1/17/2006 12:39:00 AM, Blogger Willis said...

rtwng: there is a difference between insulting gays and defending them. Pity you can't see the difference.

The content of his speech seemed fine to me, and right on the money.

 
At 1/17/2006 12:56:00 AM, Blogger AWCheney said...

Now I must wonder if any of the commentators other than JMS actually SAW the speech...and the reaction among the other delegates. I gather that to be the actual subject of the post, not criticism of the speech itself.

 
At 1/17/2006 08:40:00 AM, Blogger MR JMS said...

DING DING DING.

We have a winner.

Again, if those upset with my comments actually read my comments they would realize I agreed with the substance of the speech, but felt it was a horrible delivery and really did not deserve any attention.

 
At 2/14/2006 04:10:00 PM, Anonymous GAB staffer said...

Like JMS, I was actually there in the P&E meeting and I watched Englin's floor speech live. He was passionate, sincere, and powerful during his floor speech, and didn't stutter or stammer even once (in fact that comment from JMS is so far off that it makes me wonder if he really did see the speech.) Englin did seem nervous in P&E and stuttered a bit there, but it was his first committee meeting and he was going up against Bob Marshall and Lacey Putney. I've seen him in lots of committee meetings since, and he's excellent.

As for the comment about staffers laughing at Englin during his speech, you must have been watching with Bob Marshall's or Jeff Frederick's staff, because the staffers I know all think Englin's a hero.

 

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