Tuesday, January 24, 2006

EUGENE DELGAUDIO TO PRIMARY WOLF - UPDATED

Sources have told TC that Loudoun County Supervisor Eugene Delgaudio is trying to muster support within the party to mount a primary against incumbent Frank Wolf!!! More to come... A few key moves point to Prince William county supervisor John Stirrup wishing to take control of the 10th District .1)Stirrup has not expressed a desire to run for Chairman in '07. A move which would be a logical step up. He would be the front-runner of the "conservative" end of the party, and would have a good chance of winning county-wide. 2)His wife is running for 10th district GOP chair. She is not a long-shot folks. The party in the 10th is full of many very conservative people who might swing her way. Both sides will be trying to jam pack the convention. I feel Rich might be in trouble.Heidi's already making the rounds. 3)A primary now by Delgaudio is a sure loss..BUT..his run will expose whatever weaknesses are in Frank Wolf, and thus make it easier for John Stirrup to run in two years. 4)Supervisor Stirrup has expressed his interest in the 10th District seat to many people, some who have in turn shared this with TC. 5)With the running of Heidi the far-far-far-far right has already alienated itself against Frank Wolf. Why not continue with a primary? UPDATE: Supervisor Delgaudio had this say in the comments section of this post:

Your blog runs "rumors". I did not file for chairman in order to run for Congress. Sorry I do not know blog edicate. I guess being plain spoken and truthful is not normal. I am running for 10th district chairman. I have been national convention delegate and alternate to 3 national conventions and supported Frank Wolf from the beginning, ( that's three (3) separate district convention elected positions). Hey radical Del-haters: I backed a "rightwing" Tom Davis for years. Throw that up too. Frank Wolf has my support for life. Jim Rich has done a disservice to Frank Wolf and all of us. I am running to improve the party operations. I am disappointed that Jim Rich has done such a poor job for Frank Wolf who is working his heart out for all of us. Frank can endorse him all he wants-- the Congressman is loyal to his friends- but Rich is poor. Regarding President Bush, visit www.publicadvocateusa.org to view my meeting last week with the President and comments in support of Bush regarding Judge Alito for balance. Thank you.

36 Comments:

At 1/24/2006 10:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Stirrup could never win countywide in prince william.

He had a horrible record on the bos.

While I don't believe Delgaudio will primary Rich-I will buy into this Stirrup story.

 
At 1/24/2006 10:43:00 PM, Blogger Scott said...

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At 1/24/2006 10:44:00 PM, Blogger Hirons said...

Uh, am I missing something. Why must we "need to nip Stirrups quest for congress right here and now."

1. He's apparently not putting himself on the line to run a primary challenge to Wolf this year.

2. Rep. Wolf is not going to be around forever, someone is going to need to be ready to take over when he decides to hang it up. What the heck if they want to take the shots now to control the district to better his chances of winning an nomination in a future open race for the seat - good for them - good planning.

3. I think the Republican party could do a lot worse then John Stirrup in finding a successor to Rep. Wolf.

While I wouldn't encourage him, and hope he does not ever run a primary challenge to Rep. Wolf I'd be intrigued by a John Stirrup for Congress campaign.

By the way TC - I didn't get a chance to drop a note in the previous post about your grandfather. You're in my prayers as is the memory of your grandfather. Godspeed for safe travels.

 
At 1/24/2006 10:46:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

I disagree-

Wolf is still around.

Going against him now, is not going to get his endorsement later.

I do not think they did a good thing running Heidi.

and thanks for the condolence.

 
At 1/24/2006 10:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scott cant you see the extremists are trying to take over????!!!????

 
At 1/24/2006 10:49:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Scott, c'mon! Some of your colleagues need their Two Minute Hate of those they deem to be "too conservative" [read: those who don't fold at the first sign of far Left resistance].

 
At 1/24/2006 10:50:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Personally, I like John. If he were running in the 10th in an open contest and I lived in the district, I'd back him. In a primary against Wolf, though, I don't see any reason to toss the incumbent and his seniority.

 
At 1/24/2006 10:51:00 PM, Anonymous HON. EUGENE DELGAUDIO said...

Your blog runs "rumors". I did not file for chairman in order to run for Congress. Sorry I do not know blog edicate. I guess being plain spoken and truthful is not normal. I am running for 10th district chairman. I have been national convention delegate and alternate to 3 national conventions and supported Frank Wolf from the beginning, ( that's three (3) separate district convention elected positions). Hey radical Del-haters: I backed a "rightwing" Tom Davis for years. Throw that up too. Frank Wolf has my support for life. Jim Rich has done a disservice to Frank Wolf and all of us. I am running to improve the party operations. I am disappointed that Jim Rich has done such a poor job for Frank Wolf who is working his heart out for all of us. Frank can endorse him all he wants-- the Congressman is loyal to his friends- but Rich is poor. Regarding President Bush, visit www.publicadvocateusa.org to view my meeting last week with the President and comments in support of Bush regarding Judge Alito for balance. Thank you.

 
At 1/24/2006 10:52:00 PM, Blogger Riley, Not O'Reilly said...

Thanks for setting the record straight, Eugene.

 
At 1/24/2006 11:22:00 PM, Anonymous Suedehead said...

Interesting. Heidi Stirrup addressed Manassas Republicans and Fairfax Republicans tonight, so she is definitely out there, hitting the regulars. I think she and EG hurt each other though, in the final analysis.

As a loyal 10th District R, I choose to believe her candidacy has nothing to do with any challenge to Wolf. Frank Wolf is an incorruptable example of what a Representative should be !

 
At 1/24/2006 11:28:00 PM, Blogger BlackOut2005.com said...

Eugene,

You're to far right of Dick Black for us to support you.

Delgottago...you're next.

 
At 1/25/2006 10:16:00 AM, Anonymous Gus Phelps said...

Eugene Delgaudio is a cancer on the Republican Party of Loudoun County and spend his election day harassing Loudoun voters with his bizarre flyers when he should have been stumping for Kilgore.

I can only hope that the Republican clean their own house by getting rid of people such as him before the Democrats have the honor.

 
At 1/25/2006 10:22:00 AM, Anonymous Freddie said...

By running against Jim Rich, Heidi will create a lot of negativity against her husband. This will more they outweigh whatever small advantage she could give her husband, if she somehow wins the Chairmanship, in a future congressional race.

 
At 1/25/2006 10:42:00 AM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

While I don't think DelGaudio is the answer, I have to ask, what the heck has Jim Rich done for me?

 
At 1/25/2006 10:45:00 AM, Blogger Bwana said...

I suggest that all this is positioning for the 2012 congressional race. I find it hard to believe the 10th district GOP would try to beat the most senior member of the Virginia congressional delegation-who also happens to be a member of the House Appropriations Committee. No one is ever invulnerable, but given the job that Frank Wolf has done for his constituents and for Virginia it would be silly to go out and attempt to deny this district and this commonwealth his seniority in Congress.

However, let’s turn the clock ahead a few years and assume Mr. Wolf remains in office. Winning reelection in 2006+2008+2010 will put him in Congress for thirty years, and he will be over seventy years old. I think it likely he will retire at that time...and that is when there will be a bloodbath for the open seat.

 
At 1/25/2006 11:27:00 AM, Blogger Involved said...

Bwana,

I completely agree.

I also think that this whole "taking out Wolf" thing is a Red Herring. It is a tactic being used by the moderates out there to cause people to question a conservative's motives for replacing a do-nothing moderate with someone who's interested in getting the job done.

To test this, let's ask: Too Conservative, who are your "sources" that tell you that anyone is considering a move to take out Wolf, within the Republican Party? Since we know that Eugene and Heidi haven't said this to you, where are you hearing it from?

(I'd be willing to wager that TC will not say, as he either made it up himself, or else heard it from other moderates that are purposely making up the lies.)

 
At 1/25/2006 12:34:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

bwana and involved have it exactly right. This is "a tactic being used by the moderates out there to cause people to question a conservative's motives for replacing a do-nothing moderate with someone who's interested in getting the job done." Why? Because a formerly all-GOP 10th District Delegation now has a few Democrats, replacing Conservative Republicans. That doesn't appear to bother too many of the people attacking Heidi and Eugene. Again, why?

Might it be because they are perfectly happy with Democrats replacing Conservatives?

 
At 1/25/2006 12:41:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

What is blocking you all from seeing this?

Mr.Young, and which ever as Jim Young says "kool-aid" drinker involved is...can't see that Heidi really has no reason to run..

Our party is doing fairly well in the 10th district, and Jim Rich, who chairs the entire district has alot of elected republicans to show for his chairmanship.

Remember the 10th goes all the way out to Winchester.

Involved-you're so correct, I just make everything up. Why don't you come out and tell everyone who you are..and then maybe I'll share...

oh wait(I AM WILLING TO GUESS INVOLVED IS A CHICKEN LIKE EVERY OTHER ANONYMOUS CRAZY WHO POST COMMENTS ON TC BAD MOUTHING SOMEONE, BUT WHO REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHO THEY ARE)

I will also have respect for Jim Young standing by what he says. Why would I even listen to someone who can't be held accountable?

 
At 1/25/2006 01:07:00 PM, Blogger LovettsvilleGOPer said...

I am a true conservative and a fan of the Stirrups, but I can't help but remember a 10th Congressional District Committee meeting in 2005 that Heidi ran for state central and lost. Is that a fair test election for a chairmans run? If so, I think support for her on the acctual committee is weak. Or are Heidi and her people working on getting folks elected as delegates at the local unit level?

 
At 1/25/2006 01:11:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

"Fairly well," as defined by TC = more Democrats in office replacing Conservative Republicans.

Listen, TC, while you have a lot to say on a lot of things that I can respect, respectfully disagree with, and sometimes even make sport of, I suspect that you know precious little about internal Party workings. This is one of those occasions where experience will usually win out over enthusiasm. I've actually served on a couple of District Committees -- the Eighth and the Eleventh -- and for about two years, carried proxies and voted on the State Central Committee, and was a long-time member of the PWC GOP Executive Committee. I even once attended and voted at a meeting of the Tenth District Committee, so give me a little credit for knowing from whence I speak.

The Tenth District Committee is utterly ossified, and virtually useless. They have and have had for a long time a GOP Congressman, and for a long time, had a 100% GOP delegation in the House. That obviously changed in 2005, and it's not unreasonable to suggest that a change in leadership could be a positive thing. I suppose you can debate the relative merits or demerits of any particular candidate, but to say that "Heidi really has no reason to run" sounds a lot like an impression of an ostrich.

I suppose one can qhestion her motives --- certainly there are those who have done so here --- but it just might be that she wants what's best for the GOP.

 
At 1/25/2006 01:21:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Jim Young-

I respectfully disagree.

I got started by working with the Sully GOP over 6 years ago, and was very active with the Fairfax GOP during the 2004 election.

I was so active with the organization itself that I was awarded the Sully District GOPer for 2004 election year.

I attend every Sully GOp meeting I can, every Fairfax Gop meeting..have travavelled across the 10th over the past 2 years and have met with many inner-party activists.

With all respect Mr.Young-at every event I have been at..I haven't seen you.

While you may be an expert on the inner-party workings of 1996, I do not believe you are anywhere close to upto date on what really goes on. You begin isolated from half of our party..

I understand our party very well Mr.Young-and have kept utterly up to date by both sides of our party.You do not know everyone I am in contact with..as I do not post every lunch..and meeting I attend online.

A few months ago I attended with Steve Danziger a 10th district GOP dinner, something at which I didnt see you..but I might have missed you..in which I was able to talk to the key players of the Committee.

Jim Rich can not be held responsible for the loss of Craddock or Black..as those were campaign problems.

He is in charge of the 10th congressional..in which he has succeeded. If you remember a well-funded sharp James Socas who ran against Wolf..and who managed to get less than nut-job Longmeyer did against Davis in the 11th.

While sometimes I enjoy bantering with you Mr.Young, you are as always..blinded and have a biased point of view.

 
At 1/25/2006 01:29:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

Although I am not a great fan of Jim Rich (I remember him as a Young Republican chair in Fauquier County in years gone by and he didn't impress me that much then), you must admit that, during his many years as 10th District Chairman, the 10th District did become pretty solidly red. Granted, a couple of conservatives lost on his watch but it's not like we haven't seen that trend statewide, particularly in Northern Virginia (the designation of which is creeping rapidly south and westward). I seem to recall one of the commentators on these 10th District postings (can't remember which one) suggesting that the candidacies of Stirrup and Delgaudio are nothing more a reaction to this rather than a conspiracy and I think that person probably has it right.

On the other hand, I believe it is a mistake to take Congressman Wolf's strong endorsement so lightly. He is, after all, the ranking elected Republican in the 10th District and, much as the President "picks" his RNC Chairman, I believe that Frank's comfort level with Jim Rich should be seriously taken into consideration. Turning this into a conspiracy war between moderates and conservatives is totally counter-productive.

Bottom line, the candidates for 10th District Chair should be considered on their merits, and I happen to consider Frank Wolf's endorsement to be a huge plus for the reason I stated...but I'm only one Republican in the 10th Congressional District and I'm still waiting for people to discuss their qualifications for the job.

 
At 1/25/2006 01:44:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Anke-

I might agree with you..except they are already making this about "moderate" vs "conservative" ..which I agree it shouldnt be.

As always..we need the best candidate to win. I dont understand Supervisor Delgaudios logic in he's doing whats best for Wolf...when Wolf endorsed the other guy.

 
At 1/25/2006 01:52:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Wellll, since I don't live in Fairfax, or the Tenth District, and didn't support Chairman Sean, there was probably good reason that you didn't see me. That, and the fact that I have a wife and two young sons, things that, I assume, don't burden you, Vince.

And if you assume that I am "isolated from half our party," then you overestimate the numbers of self-styled "moderates." And if you're listening to Steve Danziger, you're listening to a guy who couldn't even win REelection as PWC County GOP Chairman. I don't suggest that you don't understand the Party's workings as a general matter, but perhaps that you don't have a handle on matters at the congressional district committee and State Central level (something which, at your age and level of experience, would be difficult).

I recognize (some of) your efforts for what they are, Vince: create the impression of moderate/Liberal ascendance by constantly harping on it, by trying to redefine "conservatism" as "moderate" or "Liberalism" and minimize moderate/ Liberal perfidy in abandoning GOP incumbents (something you did not do, I concede) who are demonized as "far Right."

And Vince, I'm no more or less biased than you. I freely admit it. But the comment to which you responded is merely one way of looking at the way in which the Tenth District Committee has functioned, and the impression that it leaves with some long-time activists. The results in 2005 speak for themselves.

And you're making the accusation that this is about "moderate" vs. "conservative." I don't think so. I concede that I have little use for Jim Rich, but that has more to do with what I view has his prior perfidy than effectiveness. Sadly, with the results in the Tenth that you (perhaps rightly) wish to attribute to the individual campaigns, Rich has now given his many enemies a basis for challenging not only his ideology (I have said before that I don't know what it is, so I should probably disclaim a portion of my 12:34 post), but his effectiveness, notwithstanding Congressman Wolf's confidence in him.

 
At 1/25/2006 02:44:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

TC,

Perhaps had Mr. Rich been doing his job instead of resting on his "red district" laurels he would have better applied some discipline to some of those Republican elected officials who were thumbing their noses at the party.

Perhaps had he, realizing he was failing at the above, gotten on board with replacing these incumbants with candidates more experienced and better able to defend party principles, he would not have lost so many seats.

This all comes down to creating an environment for those in the party to work together for the better good without selling-out on our basic principles. This is something I have come to conclude that the GOP leadership in NOVA (if not elsewhere) is unable to do. A change in leadership at that level and others might just help.

 
At 1/25/2006 02:46:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

What are you talking about?

I never mentioned Steve told me anything first off...my conclusions about you not understanding half the party come from my own conclusions like the one you made below.

How do I re-define conservatism as liberalism? This is what I am talking about here when I mention before how it is not the "moderates" of the party but the "conservatives" who lie about peoples quotes and try to put labels on other republicans.

I understand you have a job, and a family and such. I also have a job, school, and a family..but I manage to spend time on the weekends ect. helping out candidates, from all aspects of the party.

I really just can not understand you Mr.Young, and why people like you just make stuff up.

I am sure "involved" "a voter" and some other random anonymous commenters will all agree to your conclusion that I am trying to make "conservative" mean "moderate"..but the average Republicans do not.

While I respect your views of the Republican party..they will eventually ruin us. Any person who does not see that the certain group of our party taking over will be the end..is lost

 
At 1/25/2006 03:07:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

TC, you said "I really just can not understand you Mr.Young, and why people like you just make stuff up."

First, Vince, we're friends, and you're not such a snotnose that you have to address me so formally.

Second, given the thoroughly rebutted content of the post to which this thread is attached, I think that's a pretty bold assertion. It makes abundantly clear that the type of people you ARE listening to are those who have aligned themselves against me in Prince William, and who have made that broad and unsupported accusation in the past.

Do I draw conclusions and surmise (you know, like that you're "listening to Steve Danziger" when you reference the fact that you "attended with Steve Danziger a 10th district GOP dinner"; maybe you were just name-dropping, but I didn't think so), and even predict? Occasionally. And all too frequently, those surmises and predictions turn out to be dead on accurate.

You might well be accurate in your prediction. But I have to wonder whether it's a case of an attempted self-fulfilling prophecy. Conservatives in Virginia have for more than thirty years fought to make the GOP a party governed by the grassroots, and the GOP enjoyed its greatest success when it started listening to the grass roots. Now that this has largely occurred, it is unsurprising that those within the GOP who fought that effort while the electorate embraced it are trying to retake the terms of the debate. If you had had an opportunity to read my column, Vince, you would know that I wrote frequently on the value of controlling the terms of the debate.

 
At 1/25/2006 03:39:00 PM, Blogger Waltzing Matilda said...

"First, Vince, we're friends, and you're not such a snotnose that you have to address me so formally."

Only Mr. Young could call someone a "friend" in the same sentence that he namecalls them a "snotnose." Classic Youngism.

And I will call you Mr. Young, because we are not friends.

 
At 1/25/2006 05:42:00 PM, Blogger BlackOut2005.com said...

TC,

Right ON Brother!

"While I respect your views of the Republican party..they will eventually ruin us. Any person who does not see that the certain group of our party taking over will be the end..is lost"

I've come to the conclusion some people will never give up the ghost. It's going to take a ground swell of reason to drown out the naive.

TC: You need to admit Staton is part of the Delgaudio faction. At the least he nurtures it, but I firmly believe he completely embraces it.

 
At 1/25/2006 05:52:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Matilda, only a humorless crone could fail to understand the ironic reference to Vince's age and what I sensed to be his undue (under the circumstances) formality. Grow a sense of humor. Though I agree that you're not "friend," since my friends don't hide their identity.

As for Vince, I would add something that occurred to me after the preceding: Don't you think there's value in protecting the Republican "name brand"? If so, and it seems to be that you do, then it seems to me that what that "name brand" means, and those who meet it and those who don't, is a legitimate subject for debate.

 
At 1/25/2006 06:12:00 PM, Anonymous Suedehead said...

Hey, Steve Danziger is on Soil and Water; therefore, I will respectfully request he be referred to as "Honorable Steve Danziger".

Thank You.

 
At 1/25/2006 09:02:00 PM, Anonymous laurab said...

Perhaps it is not John but Heidi who intends to run for Congress. She has a national, regional and local political resume ... AND NO RECORD!! She might win in PWC with the name recognition she gets from the 10th District race.

Maybe Suedehead is right, the Honorable Mr. Danizger may have all the answers.

 
At 1/26/2006 01:15:00 AM, Blogger criticallythinking said...

We get some interesting comments here.

TC, Jim Young suggested you tell us WHY you made the assertions you made in your post. I agree that this would be a good thing, especially since ED took the time to show up personally to refute half of your claim.

What evidence do you have that ANYBODY is thinking of running a primary against Rep. Wolf? Because I have never heard a whisper of such a plan, even from my "far far right" cabal. (;->)

I'm sorry, but driving up your blog numbers by pandering to a class of people who are quick to question people's motives for public service without evidence does not, I believe, contribute to the cause.

You may want to take some time to ponder why people like willis seem so comfortable posting here.

 
At 1/26/2006 07:02:00 AM, Blogger too conservative said...

I'm sorry, but driving up your blog numbers by pandering to a class of people who are quick to question people's motives for public service without evidence does not, I believe, contribute to the cause.


..WOOAAHH!!!!

I agree with you here critically.

Someone is dissing people with public service, but it's not met.

I do not slander or attack anyone personally, and let the readers decide for themselves who's who.

We're you at the meeting? Have you talked to Eric? Do you know what's going on?

This is my problem with you and your cronies of posters.

You all comment about things that YOU are not aware of, so stop the mindless bable.

I have explained with facts, and statistics about what is going on in our party.

No where in my big post above did I say "conservatives" bad and "moderates good" inface..I plainly state its good to be "tooconservative"

Willis-comments on NLS, Commonwealth, and SkeptikalObservor.

Again-misrepresenting what I said, and how I said it.

 
At 1/26/2006 09:43:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Vince, that's "skeptical" with only a single "k." Isn't one (conscientious) misspelling enough for one blog? ;-)

 
At 1/26/2006 12:44:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

TC,

I have to disagree. Many of your posts in the past 48 hours have specifically accused the "far-far-far right" of being liars, crooks and only interested in political power, without evidence to support yourself btw. You then use some generic terminology like "group A" and "group B" to try to get out of it. Unfortunately this only muddies the waters and leaves the impression that you believe those in the conservative wing of the party are the ones who are in the wrong. Please, please clarify your comments if you are not going to stand by them, and secondly if you are going to make such specific accusations, be specific as to which individuals you are talking about. Otherwise you just make the problem worse and people begin to doubt your credibility. Up to this point I have viewed most of your blogging as an attempt to talk about issues and candidates. Unfortunately in the last couple of days particularly it appears to be descending into personal invective.

 

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