Friday, January 27, 2006

I Stand With Ben

My personal opinion, which does not reflect other contributors to this something more should happen to Delegate Jack Reid for firing a gun in Richmond. If our own legislators are not suspect to the law, how can private citizens be? I stand with NLS on this. Carrying a weapon is one thing, but firing it as he did is something else. This was not a field in Jerry Kilgore's hometown.


At 1/27/2006 03:35:00 PM, Blogger J.Sarge said...

Perhaps being charged with the misdemeanor of discharging a firearm in a public building would be sufficient. I'm not sure this warrants resignation; just make him have his day in court like any other citizen. That's my take.

Thanks for continuing blogging during what I know must be a very difficult time for you.

At 1/27/2006 04:07:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

I don't know this man, nor the facts in this case. I do think people who carry should be subject to scrutiny when they mis-use their weapon. Even if this was an accident (as it seems to be), he should be held to the same standard as anyone else. I doubt most of us would be fired or have to resign for having an accident with a legal firearm when no-one was injured in the event. I do think at a minimum he should take a gun safety class and reimburse the state for any damages.

At 1/27/2006 04:32:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

We can be pretty sure it didn't happen as he said. Weapons of this type are not prone to accidental discharge when releasing clips. The question then is: what the heck happened? He must have been in his office playing silly buggers with a loaded weapon. I also don't understand what he was doing with the vest, although I've seen some news reports that it was a gift from a law enforcement group. That should be easy enough to check. Otherwise, I kind of wonder about his state of mind.

Agree with Sarge and RWE that it should be handled as if it were any other citizen who did the same thing. I guess if I were Delegate, I might want a censure vote just to make a strong impression on Reid or anyone else packing heat over there. The real solution will be at the ballot box in 2007. It shouldn't matter what your political views are, you probably don't want strange, careless people representing you in the GA. But his constituents can sort that out.

At 1/27/2006 04:54:00 PM, Anonymous Charley Tuna said...

"It shouldn't matter what your political views are, you probably don't want strange, careless people representing you in the GA."

Unfortunately, for the vast majority of Virginians, that's what we've got

At 1/27/2006 06:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Richmond Times Dispatch:

The Capitol Police investigated the incident and spoke to the Richmond Commonwealth Attorney's office. Both agreed it was an accident, said Maj. Mike Jones of the Capitol Police. No charges were filed.

At 1/27/2006 07:16:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

This is rediculous...

I sense some sort of political help here from the commonwealths office.

Come on guys...

At 1/27/2006 11:47:00 PM, Blogger Lucy Jones said...

The news is reporting that he had a permit to carry the gun because he had been receiving threats. He had also asked (recently?) that pages and certain others not be allowed to roam the halls at will. Maybe there's a valid reason he was carrying in chambers.

I am guilty of a few embarassing moments myself. I can accept that the actual discharge could have been an accident. Of course, that could be due to ignorance on my behalf. I'm not a gun owner.

If it was simply an accident, I would at least like to see him enroll himself in a gun-safety class. That would be helpful in sending a message to our youngsters that gun safety is important.

At 1/28/2006 01:32:00 AM, Blogger criticallythinking said...

People have accidents, nobody was hurt. There apparently is no evidence that the act was malicious or deliberately negligent.

We have a problem in this country with people looking to find fault, to blame, to punish, in a way that simply was not the historical norm.

I sometimes attribute it to the last 40 years of public education, with it's emphasis on the supremacy of the "me". If you are taught your whole life that everything revolves around "me", and that all acts are judged based on how that make "me" feel, then you will seek retribution for any perceived slight, or anything that might scare you.

I don't particulary want to "let people off" for doing stupid things, but I don't think punishment is necessary, and he's not denying, or making excuses -- he's apologized and offered to take whatever comes to him, and there is little to be gained by punishing more.

Of course, some democrats would probably like to force a resignation, or make this into a campaign issue -- but make no mistake, that is more about trying to win elections than a true thought that a simple mistake disqualifies you from representing a district.

It would be fun though to see his opponent try to make an issue out of this in the next election.

As to suggestions that there is some sort of improper political activity here:
I sense some sort of political help here from the commonwealths office.

I think people are also way to quick these days not just to THINK that people must naturally be evil, but to then state so publicly, without any evidence. I suggest that before people accuse others of acting unethically, imagine standing in front of that person and making the statement to their face

Although that doesn't work much anymore, because with the internet people are losing their people skills.

At 1/28/2006 09:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"with the internet people are losing their people skills."

Is that what happened to Jim Young?

At 1/28/2006 09:23:00 AM, Blogger too conservative said...


If Howard Dean had done the same thing, would you be speaking the same?

An accident that could have killed someone which was committed by an elected official.

At 1/28/2006 12:34:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

TC- you should remove Ann Coulter from your blogroll. She is someone you do not want to be associated with.

At 1/28/2006 03:13:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

You raise a good point, TC, though if it happened to Howard Dean, I might be inclined to say he's a hypocrite, too. 'Cept for the fact that, my recollection is that he wasn't a gun-grabber as Connecticut Governor.

Calls for his resignation are, by and large (NLS would be an exception, I think) opportunism by the Left. It's appropriate to suggest that it's something that shouldn't have happened without giving electoral aid and comfort to them.

At 1/28/2006 04:00:00 PM, Blogger criticallythinking said...

TC, yes I would, although I'd also be making fun of him. If you want to make fun of this guy, go ahead, I've got no problem with that.

I think Kaine said "Nice Shot", when he found out the guy hit his bullet-proof vest.

Sure, someone could have been hurt, but someone DID get hurt today, just like every day.

It's saturday, and the news has a story of a cop who shot an off-duty officer who had his gun pointed at a suspect. People make mistakes.

To show though how this could be different, if he had been showing off the gun, and doing some stupid gun-slinging thing, dropped the gun and had it go off, I might feel more punishment was in order.

a few month ago a police trainee was killed by her instructor in a lecture, when the instructor accidently shot her. Since it was forbidden to have a loaded gun in the lecture, he deserved to be punished -- not for the mistake, but for violating the rule, and should have been punished even if he HADN'T discharged the weapon.

For the comment about what happened to Jim, I think he was that way WAY before the internet.. :->

At 1/28/2006 06:17:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

If you're referring to refusing to suffer fools gladly while leading the nation's best YR club, you're right, Charles and Anon 9:03.

At 1/28/2006 06:30:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

I wonder why it is that no one has really picked up on the connection that the bullet was shot into a bulletproof vest and the discharge of a weapon that cannot be accidently discharged in the way he claims? It's far more logical that this very strange, disturbed gentlemen just decided to see if the vest was indeed his office. I don't see how anyone could call this an accident. Perhaps just another case of the police/prosecutors not wanting to get involved, in any way, with politicians who might hold the pursestrings on their funding one day? It goes to the idea of "picking your battles" and getting someone in power (or in the public eye) what amounts to a slap on the wrist might not be worth the possible retribution. We all know it happens...and it always will, unfortunately.

At 1/28/2006 06:41:00 PM, Blogger Lucy Jones said...


That would be a believable scenario, but why would he do that at work? Why not at home or out in a field somewhere?

I don't know the history of this man. Are there other indications that he's a bit off?

At 1/28/2006 07:21:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

"Why not at home or out in a field somewhere?"

Arrogance maybe?

At 1/28/2006 08:39:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

I'd say its stupidity.

At 1/28/2006 10:16:00 PM, Anonymous NOVA Scout said...

James: Howard Dean's restraint re guns while "Connecticut Governor" may have had something to do with his not being Governor of Connecticut. In any event, when he was Governor of Vermont, I didn't get the impression that he was anti-gun ownership. I don't think that would work too well in Vermont.

At 1/28/2006 10:28:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Mea culpa, nova scout. You are, of course, right.

And I'm the one who's supposed to be nasty?

At 1/29/2006 01:22:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James Young....turning everything into a partisan dispute again...

James, I don't believe that Jack Reid broke a law. If you read the statutes cited (is over on NLS comments), it is clear to me that Reid had NO malicious intent, was not in a school building, and did not intentionally fire the weapon. A reading of the statute involving "wreckless use" of firearms to me requires intent to use wrecklessly, and furthermore focuses mostly on hunting. The other statute requires "malicious" use. It certainly appears it wasn't. I admit that I could be wrong about that, and the allegations that Reid is lying deserve more investigation. But at this point in time, it looks like baseless attack at this point.

Now, I'm a liberal. It's not partisan or ideological spectrum, it's just a difference of opinion in how interpretation of the law applies to this situation.

Period. you need to stop making ideological hay out of absolutely everything.

Doug in Mount Vernon

At 1/29/2006 01:24:00 PM, Anonymous NOVA Scout said...

No, James: You're supposed NOT to be nasty. If you're getting another impression, we're not communicating very well.

At 1/29/2006 04:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"while leading the nation's best YR club"


WHEN are you going to realize that NO ONE is impressed with your YR career at this point.

WE KNOW that twelve years ago, you ran the most AWESOME YR club ever.

WE KNOW that twelve years ago, you volunteered for Tom Davis and he won.

WE KNOW that fourteen years ago, you volunteered for Dave Mabie and he won.

WE KNOW that fourteen years ago, you wrote the bylaws of the PWCRC and served on the 8th and 11th district committees.

And we were impressed with you and all that you did twelve years ago... TWELVE YEARS AGO!!

We're over you.

Now get over yourself!

At 1/30/2006 12:15:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Doug, the fact is, the most enthusiastic call for resignation comes from Ben Tribbett at NLS. Now, Ben's a nice guy (I've met him) and pleasant, but he is a partisan (if not far Left) Democrat.

And nova scout, you have a bad habit of confusing "frank truth" with "nasty." Might want to work on that.

And as for Anon 4:57, I know plenty of people who talk about their credentials. It's an issue of credibility and demonstrating that you know from whence you speak. Which is probably why, while you apparently hate me, you remain safely anonymous. God knows, it sure would be embarrassing if the reader found out that you lacked even that meager credential.


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