Sunday, January 22, 2006

Killer Gets Married

Remember Michael Schiavo? The man who killed his wife Terri. He just got married to his "long-term girlfriend" who he was dating and living with as he still was making decisions for his wife. Great man huh

34 Comments:

At 1/22/2006 02:49:00 PM, Blogger James E. Martin said...

That was a disgusting post, the man was going through with his wife's wish's. You should take that down!

 
At 1/22/2006 03:01:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

NOVA Dem-

On some issues we might agree , but not this one.

The Schiavo tragedy was a disgusting act by her husband. There was no excuse when her parents said they would take care of her.

Post stays up.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:09:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Just when I was thinking you weren't so bad, TC.

That post is just a pile of stinking filth. You should be ashamed to be associated with it.

I hope it's just a youthful indiscretion.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:25:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Willis-

This has nothing to do with my youth. I followed the case closely..and was happy Congressman Tom Davis worked hard to get it moved into a federal jurisdiction.

I believe it's murder...and many other people do as well.

Don't act as though I am alone on this issue.

I believe even the Vatican agreed with the parents.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:28:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Well, if you believe the federal government should intervene every time a person is braindead to keep them alive, then our educational system has failed you, TC.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:30:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Plus, you are so judgemental, Tc. How can you say with a straight face that, had your wife become a vegetable, you would remain faithful and not get a girlfriend for over a decade while she sat teitching in a hospital bed??

And how can you say that, after your wife died, you wouldn't remarry??

This post reveals you as a stupid, immature young man, who has much to learn.

Keep your eyes open.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:31:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

teitching=twitching

 
At 1/22/2006 03:37:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Willis-

I could look you in the eye and tell you that I would not have a girlfriend if my wife was in Terri's shape.

I would be by her side every minute I could, and allow her family to take care of her with me.

As for your unbased attacks on me, I will not be pulled in as some other bloggers are by your slams.

It's my opinion...there's nothing stupid about it.

Some people have morals Willis, and would not cheat on their wives.
That is called committing adultery, and is actually against the law in many states.

My eyes were open. I prayed to god everynight before she died that her parents would win.

Don't come on and slam me anymore Willis, it's enough.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:38:00 PM, Blogger Gustaaf-Fernand said...

"a disgusting act by her husband"
As I remeber it: it was her husband who defended Terri's decision.

Anyway, if you're suggesting that guy can never get remarried because his former wife didn't want to suffer, conservatives are even more superficial than I tought.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:40:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

For you to say you know what you would do, had you been in his situation, is completely ridiculous and idiotic. I don't pretend to know what I would have done, and it's a pity that you do.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:44:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Willis-

It's not my fault I know myself better than you then.

I have grown up on a set of principles, and cheating on my wife isn't one of them.

Get a grip on reality.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:45:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Have you taken care of a braindead individual for over 10 years??

Have you been married before??

 
At 1/22/2006 03:51:00 PM, Blogger James E. Martin said...

She died years before we had this debate. Her brain was completly atrophied, and any resonable person would have let her go.

 
At 1/22/2006 03:52:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Yup. Michael Schiavo helped care for her for 8 years before deciding to petition to finally pull the plug.

It takes a tremendous amount of ignorance to "know" what you would have done in a situation like that. And I don't feel I'm being too hard to you by saying that, TC, I think it's obvious.

 
At 1/22/2006 04:25:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

The most bothersome element of the Schiavo case was in the fact that her family was willing to assume the burden of her care, while her "husband" was taking up with another woman.

With that having been said, I'd say "It's about time!" After all, Schiavo had fathered two children with this woman.

And as usual, Willis is allowing his ideology to get in the way of the facts. Schiavo did not "petition to finally pull the plug," which ordinarily refers to things like ventilators (and I have friend who terribly had to make this decision for a child). He obtained an order to deny her food and water. She was not being kept alive by extraordinary means, unless you include a feeding tube as an "extraordinary means" which, as I understand it, medical professionals do not.

Of course, my degree is in law, not medicine, so take that for what it's worth.

 
At 1/22/2006 04:29:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Jim Young-

YES, exactlly my point.

That was the most bothersome point, which many of those on the left refuse to acknowledge.

and I never said he should remarry.

 
At 1/22/2006 04:44:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

You two conveniently ignore the fact that a court found that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed. Thus, by petitioning to have it removed, Mike Schiavo was trying to grant his wife what she would have wanted. I see no problem with that.

It was cruel for her family to have kept her alive for as long as they did.

TC: have you ever cared for someone near death, or someone incredibly sick?? If so, for how long??

 
At 1/22/2006 04:47:00 PM, Blogger James E. Martin said...

SHE WAS DEAD by any medical definition! Her brain completly atrophied.

 
At 1/22/2006 04:59:00 PM, Anonymous Not Jack Herrity said...

Willis:

Get a grip. People can disagree without namecalling. Vince and James have an opinion. I happen to think they are wrong, but I respect the opinions and I respect even more that they have the guts to say it.

I've followed your comments closely, Willis. You are the Bob Marshall of the Left Wing. Like Bob, you are thoroughly convinced that anyone whose opinions differ from your own suffers from stupidity, idiocy, or youthful inexperience. Maybe it makes it easier for you to deny that their arguments have any merit at all, I don't know.

Willis, the sign of someone who has truly lost an argument is when he redirects the argument. You turn quickly to ad hominem attacks, rather than sticking to the merits. I may not agree with the Youngenator, and I may not agree with TC, but they've stuck to their guns on this one. They have an opinion and they can both defend it. You're the one who comes out with egg on your face.

And you know what? The one thing I can't square about this case is the fact that Michael Schiavo suddenly turned coat the minute he found a new love. That's the one argument they have that I can't answer and speaks volumes about Schiavo's motives. Hard cases notoriously make bad law, and this was one of the hardest. I agree she was a vegetable and that she wasn't going to get better. The issue I have is with her husband's motives.

NJH

 
At 1/22/2006 05:02:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

NJH-that's nice

TC-answer my question above, when you get a chance

 
At 1/22/2006 05:22:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Willis-

I will spill some personal information to you.

My grandfather is currently downstairs at this minute dying of kindney failure. I took off a week of school a month ago to go down to the beach with my mom and bring him back.

I sat with him in the emergency room as he was diagnosed with cancer, but told he would die of kindney failure before the cancer could kill him.

He just was moved into my basement a week and a half ago.

I have been picking him up off the floor, as he falls and is too weak to stand up.

I have been cleaning up the blood from his bed sores, and been helping change his diaper.

I didnt post for a while because I was at the hospital with him so much I didnt have time.

On New Years Eve, It was just me and him alone in his emergency room.

I see him everyday, not knowing which day is going to be his last, and have him cry on my shoulder about him wanting to spend more time with me.

Everynight I pray that he will find peace, and be able to go to heaven.

Sadly-when he does pass away within the next couple of weeks I will be going down to Arkansas for his funeral and not be able to respond to your vile and sad posts.

I don't know who you are Willis-but I would hope you would realize that you don't really know anything about me, and why I think a certain way.

So to answer your question-YES

 
At 1/22/2006 05:25:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Yeah, willis 4:44, "a court found that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed." Based solely upon the testimonial evidence of Schiavo (exceedingly weak evidence), made years later and after he had taken up with another woman. Now, maybe he was telling the truth. But the facts of the case suggest an epiphany of convenience, and at a minimum, cast severe doubt on his veracity.

And I didn't "conveniently ignore" that fact. I ignored it altogether, because it had nothing to do with the issues I was addressing. Once again, if you actually read and understand my post, I wasn't commenting on that aspect of the case at all. I was commenting on the fact that: (1) I was bothered by Schiavo's unwillingness to surrender his guardianship to Terri's parents; (2) the guy should've married this woman after fathering two of her children; and (3) your mischaracterization of what was done to Terri from a medical perspective. You address none of these points, but launch another of your absurd attacks.

I find your enthusiasm for death disturbing, but of a piece with your other comments.

And NJH, "the Youngenator"!?!?!?! That's a new one. Better than "Thin Skin," I suppose. ;-)

 
At 1/22/2006 05:27:00 PM, Blogger James Young said...

Heartwrenching post, TC. My condolences and prayers are with you and your family. And I credit you for heretofore not exploiting your personal hardship for debate advantage.

 
At 1/22/2006 06:13:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

Well, I asked, and you answered, Tc. I understand how hard it is to care for a dying/extremely ill relative, since I've done so myself.

Mike Schiavo cared extensively for Terri for close to 5 years. I think that, there, shows the dedication he had for the women. To expect him to remain steadfast for the full 15 years and more is, I think, too much to expect. He had to move on, he did, and I credit him for staying as long as he did.

Young-you can question his motives all you want, but the fact remains that the courts did not have a problem with the motives, and they trusted his testimony. That is all that matters. Again, the fact that he cared for her for so many years before deciding that she wasn't going to recover, and enough was enough, is proof of his sound motives, I think.

My condolences to you and your grandfather, TC, but everyone has to go sometime. Kidney failure isn't a good way to go, though. Good luck with that, and hopefully he can be made comfortable, at least.

 
At 1/22/2006 07:49:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

Willis-

When you take a vow of marriage..it's until death do you part.

She only required to be fed.

She was living.

I am not a wacko Willis, my thoughts are usually fairly mainstream within the party.

You can argue the fact that he didnt kill her...but to go so far as to say we couldnt expect him not to committ adultrey is rediculous.

 
At 1/22/2006 08:03:00 PM, Anonymous Not Jack Herrity said...

Willis: What did Michael Schiavo do to care for her except pay an occasional visit to the nursing home? As I said before, that's the part I can't get over. His actions are exceedingly strange and he's got motive.


NJH

 
At 1/22/2006 09:40:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

So, in your opinion TC: when a spouse is in a vegetative state, you are obligated to remain by his/her side as they live out their life in a hospital bed, you cannot date, and you must remain somber for the remainder of your spouse's life???

What a plan!!!

 
At 1/22/2006 09:41:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

njh: during the first 4-5 years of her vegetative state, from 1990 through 1994 or 1995, he took her out on regular walks in the park and cared for her out of his home.

Eventually, he gave up on her, as any realistic person would.

 
At 1/22/2006 11:33:00 PM, Blogger mitch's wife said...

What I never understood abour Schiavo was why he stayed married to her. He wanted her to die, he had moved onto this other woman, her parents wanted her to live and were willing to take care of her for the rest of her life.

The solution seemed easy to me... divorce her, marry the girlfriend, let Terry become her parents' responsibility, which is what they wanted anyway.

Everyone wins: Schiavo gets be with the new girlfriend, the parents get to take care of their daughter, Terry gets to live, the rest of the country gets to no spend years following this. It sounds like a win-win-win-win to me.

 
At 1/23/2006 09:40:00 AM, Blogger James Young said...

Great picture, Mitch's wife!

I didn't know Kim Delaney was married to a guy named Mitch.

 
At 1/23/2006 09:52:00 AM, Blogger Willis said...

mw- by doing that, he would not be doing what he thought she would have wanted.

 
At 1/23/2006 11:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MW-

Had he followed your example, who would have gotten the medical settlement money the Schiavo's got as a result (and I am shorthanding this) of the seizure/attack that put her in this condition?

 
At 1/23/2006 03:05:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

Annon. 11:59 AM,

There it is...follow the money. The money in trust from the settlement that was caring for Terri Schiavo was substantial, and there was still a stubstantial amount left, in no small part because her husband, and guardian, had drastically cut back on her treatment over the years. Now, if he had divorced her and moved on with his life he would no longer have had control of the money. One must wonder if this might not have had something to do with his motive for demanding the removal of the feeding tube.

 
At 1/23/2006 03:43:00 PM, Blogger Willis said...

awc- it might have, it might not, but it really doesn't matter. She wasn't going to get better no matter what was done. Her brain was a useless pile of goo.

And, honestly, he deserved to take a piece of that settlement for himself. He lost his wife, in large part because of medical negligence on the part of the fertility doctor. I wouldn't begrudge him the money even if the money was his motive, which I don't think it was.

 

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