Monday, January 09, 2006

Train Keeps Rollin'

Mick Staton tells us this from a comment below: Dear Friend:The time and place for the Republican Primary for the 33rd District Special Election has been set. Voting will take place on January 16th between the hours of 11:00 AM and 7:00 PM at the Loudoun County Public Schools Administration Building. Directions to the site are available on my website at the tough losses we experienced in Loudoun County in November, I cannot stress the importance of retaining control of this seat. We must ensure that we continue to be represented by someone who steadfastly upholds the values and principles of the Republican Party. That’s why I’m running to be the next Senator for the 33rd District.Since I announced my candidacy, I have been honored by the endorsements of many key leaders in the Republican Party, including:Senator Ken Cuccinelli (R-37)Senator Steve Martin (R-11)Senator Steve Newman (R-23)Senator Mark Obenshain (R-26)Senator Jay O'Brien (R-39)Delegate Dick Black (R-32)Delegate Tim Hugo (R-40)Delegate Mark Cole (R-88)Delegate Kirk Cox (R-66)Delegate Jeff Frederick (R-52)Delegate Tom Gear (R-91)Delegate Robert Hurt (R-16)Delegate Bill Janis (R-56)Delegate Scott Lingamfelter (R-31)Delegate Robert Marshall (R-13)Delegate Melanie Rapp (R-96)Delegate Lee Ware (R-65)Delegate John Welch (R-21)Delegate Tommy Wright (R-61)Delegate Sam Nixon (R-27)Delegate Clay Athey (R-18)Supervisor Eugene DelgaudioSupervisor Steve SnowSupervisor Bruce TullochSupervisor Lori WatersSchool Board member Joseph GuzmanScholl Board Member Steve HuntMychele Brickner, Former Fairfax School BrdMark Tate, former Vice Mayor of MiddleburgPatricia Phillips*, Concerned Women for AmericaMorton Blackwell, Leadership Institute Pat McSweeney, Former RPV Chairman Mark Mix*, National Right to WorkLarry Pratt*, GOAI have the experience to be an effective leader in Richmond. My education, career experience, and years of service to the party have prepared me to hit the ground running. My leadership on the Board of Supervisors has given me an intimate knowledge of the needs of our county and makes me the ideal advocate in Richmond. I’m a fiscal conservative with a record of opposing higher taxes. I fought against the sales tax referendum in 2002, and worked to achieve lower real property tax rates as a member of the Board of Supervisors.I am a social conservative who steadfastly upholds pro-life, pro-family values. As a Senator, I will join with Senator Cuccinelli, Senator O’Brien, and the Conservative Caucus in making sure that our commitment to upholding our shared values and protecting unborn children and traditional marriage is carried on.I am asking you to join me in proving to the Democrats that Republicans are still the best party to lead this district. I have the campaign experience, experience in office, the organization, and the funding in place to run this special election and I am ready to go. I’m asking for your support and for your vote. Sincerely, Mick Staton On the other side: Randy Minchew has a new website up, and we hope by the end of today to have him write up something for us.


At 1/09/2006 02:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Staton is a fraud. He raised real estate taxes while claiming the "biggest rate reduction in Loudoun history." All those on his list of supporters are also frauds -- they want power, not real conservatives in Richmond.

At 1/09/2006 02:13:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...


At 1/09/2006 02:13:00 PM, Blogger nova_middle_man said...

check the link :)

At 1/09/2006 02:55:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...

Anon 2:06 what are you high on?

Staton's supporters are known as some of the most conservative people we have in Virginia!

If they aren't "real conservatives", then I'd love to see who you think is!

One thing that's clear about this is that those who are supporting Staton tend to lean more conservative, while those who support Minchew tend to lean more moderate (comparatively).

We’ve seen from his record that Minchew likes to support Liberal Democrats and tax hikes. These are not known as 'conservative' ideals.

At 1/09/2006 03:22:00 PM, Blogger MR JMS said...


So reducing rates while is reducing taxes even if the bill goes up?

At 1/09/2006 03:38:00 PM, Blogger w00t said...

Hah - been there done that, save lots of typing by going to the thread at

Same problem though, lots of accusations from "anonymous" and unidentifiables. I wonder why....

At 1/09/2006 03:51:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

I'm not in the 33rd, so I'm something of an outsider myself, but I find it offputting to have all these endorsements from folks downstate, particularly in an intra-party contest. Are all these folks going to step up for Minchew if he wins? If so, doesn't it compromise the value of their support that they already took sides intra-party? If not, are they ready to cede the seat to the Dems (or do they figure that their support for Minchew in the General might help the Dems win so they'll get their oar in now. Ideally, I think elected officials should use a pretty slow bell on picking sides in an intra-party race. This is particularly true in a Special where everything is moving rather quickly and the overall primary vote is likely to be very small.

At 1/09/2006 03:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love Staton's list of supporters -- why are all this Richmond types trying to tell us who to vote for?!!! I am sick of all these downstaters stealing our money, spending it in their districts, and telling us how it is really go for us. I say we march on Richmond and finish the unfinished business of 1865!!!

At 1/09/2006 04:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Involved -

How can these folks be conservatives? They voted to support the largest budget in Virginia history last year as well as spending the $1.5 billion "surplus" generated by the 2004 tax increase. If they were real conservatives they would have been consistent and voted against the amended budget in 2004. They love spending but hate taxes -- you can't have it both ways!

At 1/09/2006 04:07:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...

Mr. JMS,

Not at all. I'm not saying Staton's as conservative as I am, but he is more conservative than Minchew. This is why, I suspect, so many of our conservatives from NoVA have endorsed Staton over his opponent.

Michew actually advocated for raising our taxes (which ended up getting rejected by us voters) in addition to lending financial support some of Virginia's most Liberal Democrats.

Staton isn't perfect, but he's certainly better than Liberal-supporting Michew!

At 1/09/2006 04:13:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...


I'm pretty sure that most, if not all of our CONSERVATIVES in NoVa, voted against the budget that increased our taxes.

Minchew's supporters such as Joe May, and Tom Rust actually supported the tax increase, however.

I'd suggest doing a fact-check, on these guys because you seem confused.

At 1/09/2006 04:18:00 PM, Anonymous VABiff said...


You are right on. Staton and several others did force the tax rate down below what York and some others on the BOS wanted. While it is true that the assesments overshadowed the rate cuts resulting in higher taxes, it is disingenuous to say that it teh conservatives fault.

The assesments would be the same and the rates much higher had Staton not acted. The result would be even higher taxes.

Many of those on Staton's list are the real deal. I cannot fathom what anon is going on about other than to fan the flames of discontent.

Also, if Minchew does prevail I'm sure that the conservatives on Staton's list will support him. On the other hand, will the moderates support Staton if he wins the primary? My guess is no, because loyalty is a one way street to many of them.

At 1/09/2006 04:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love how the Connaughton freaks are now all makeing these real estate/assesment arguments... talk about absurd.

Staton is clearly the limited government, pro-life conservative here. Why on earth should REPUBLICANS rally around a candidate who supports liberal dems and their policies (i.e. raising taxes) as Minchew CLEARLY does.

People can spin this one but nobody buys it.

At 1/09/2006 04:29:00 PM, Anonymous VABiff said...

To Anon 4:18,

I understand your point. Although, I would consider myself a conservative, I supported Connaughton. He too lowered rates while the assesments skyrocketed which did result in higher taxes.

But when comparing the performance of the Prince William BOS against that of the Fairfax BOS in regards to property taxes, the PW Board looks much better.

Let us not make Connaughton or Staton strawmen.

At 1/09/2006 04:44:00 PM, Blogger Too Moderate said...

In the words of Rodney King
"Why can't we all just get along?"
Primaries are a great time for everyone to take sides, but when it is over it is time to fight like a team.

The problems seems to be both sides do not realize that there is a team once the primary is over. I also have to agree with VABiff, VA republicans seem to have a weird split. The moderate/liberal faction wants support but often times after the primary they go with the dems or sit on their hands. With the exception of Michael Golden there has been very few instances of that among the conservative side.

At 1/09/2006 04:46:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

The only spin going on here is using a different standard for Sean Connaughton and Staton...Sean is not considered conservative for the very reason that Staton is??? Typical hypocracy...and the end justifying the means. Bravo seem to be the only Staton supporter on this or previous threads who seems to recognize this.

At 1/09/2006 04:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i thought you could not have a primary for a special election unless it was held on the scheduled primary day in june

At 1/09/2006 04:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Involved --

Here is the link to the General Assembly vote to increase the budget and spend the surplus generated by the 2004 tax increases. Every one of the so-called "conservatives" on Statons list (except Mark Cole) voted in favor of higher spending from the higher taxes. At least May and Rust had the guts to say they wanted the extra revenue, unlike the other ones who voted against the taxes but for the spending. Hypocrits!

At 1/09/2006 05:01:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...

For the record, Sean's not seen as being pro-tax simply because of the rate assessments. He, like Randy Minchew, supported the failed referendum to raise our taxes a few years ago.

At 1/09/2006 05:30:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...


For those of us that haven't memorized each aspect of the budget, as you clearly have, that link is not too helpful.

The last item on there has Sen. Ken Cuccinelli voting against some aspect of the bill. Was that voting on the surplus, or what? I can't tell what any of them are voting on throughout this.

All that aside, you recognize that Minchew's supporters voted both in favor of the tax increase AND the budget. Shouldn't that also reflect upon the kind of guy he is, or are you simply interested in bashing the people who support Staton?

You should note that Staton's supporters are known as "social conservatives" in NoVa as well as being "fiscal conservatives" who DID NOT vote for the tax increase.

At 1/09/2006 06:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actions speak louder then words -- they are all squishes and betrayed our trust.

I can't wait to vote them out of office in 2007.

At 1/09/2006 06:18:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...


You never did answer my question about Minchew's supporters and their tax and spend ways.

You also haven't shown how Staton's supporters are the big spenders that you are claiming they are.

Are you actually interested in the issues of NOVA or just bashing conservatives for not being as conservative as you'd like... while giving a free pass to moderates, who aren't as conservative as claim to be? (As if that made any sense.)

You seem to have an interesting double-standard.

At 1/09/2006 08:26:00 PM, Anonymous NoVA Scout said...

How was the position on the referendum a conservative v liberal issue? Connaughton said Richmond had failed in its responsibilities to the region on transportation and that the referendum was a regrettable measure, a second best solution, given the incompetence in the state Government. Connaughton made the point that he saw no indication that Richmond would get itself straightened out in time to have any near-term impact on transportation conditions in Northern Virginia. The voters weren't ready to let Richmond off the hook. They voted against it for a number of reasons. Some thought it would lead to too much growth and sprawl (these folks tended to be anti-growth liberals). Some thought the taxes weren't necessary. So be it. I personally wasn't too keen on the idea either, thinking that it just took pressure off Richmond. But I sure didn't see the referendum as an inherently "liberal" thing. Devolving responsibility to the regions is perfectly consistent with conservative doctrine. Now we're a couple of years down the road, Connaughton was right - nothing has changed in Richmond. The projects that could have been undertaken much earlier are still on the back burner. When they are eventually built, they will cost far more than if we could have addressed them earlier and had a revenue stream to do it. I'm an agnostic on whether the regional taxes were the only answer, but it's clear that a strong fiscal responsibility case could be made for finding a way to break the grip of the dead hand of Richmond on the region.

The rest of this stuff is just Connaughton and Fitch fiscal conservatives sticking it to no-tax-no-way-no-how conservatives about the inconsistency of dumping on Connaughton for assessment hikes and not doing the same for Staton. It's a goofy game, but the other side started it so you have to expect some turnabout. The argument isn't being made because it's valid -it's being made to flush it out of the system before we confuse ourselves with it any further in the run-up to '07. By ridiculing the argument when applying it to Staton, it can be shown to be silly. Then in 07 and 09 we won't have to worry about running capable candidates with experience in controlling taxes and budgets. We had none of these on the statewide ballot in 05 and it did us no good.

At 1/09/2006 09:03:00 PM, Anonymous getagrip said...

if Minchew does prevail I'm sure that the conservatives on Staton's list will support him. On the other hand, will the moderates support Staton if he wins the primary? My guess is no, because loyalty is a one way street to many of them.

So then isn't supporting Staton a prescription for losing the seat??? I'm not convinced the double standard re Mick and Sean has as much to do with the tax rate as it has to do with social issues.

The question will still be what will this candidate focus on, practical quality of life issues or symbolic bills that will never make it out of committee?

At 1/09/2006 09:10:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Connaughton is more of a social conservative than Staton.


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