Friday, February 03, 2006


I saw this linked off of Chad Dotsons site Those calling for new blood need to look at the bigger picture, according to the state’s highest-ranking Republican. “What I would say to those folks is ‘There’s no reason to panic,’” said Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, in an interview with the Daily. “There’s no reason to change leadership at the top of the party,” he said. “Kate Griffin has done a great job as chair … she’s a great spokesperson for the Republican Party of Virginia.”“Wholesale changes” in the party would be too much, he added.“I think we’ve actually performed fairly well in most parts of the state,” Bolling said. “I think we’ve got some challenges in Northern Virginia. I think that’s really what our focus has to be as we look to the future.” COME ON GUYS. ..wait... Before I rip on the quote, I feel as though I should put out a disclaimer:The thoughts on here are mine, and mine alone. If anyone has a problem with them, they can call or e-mail me.My comments have nothing to do with any elected offical, party official, or organization. Now-I have read some of the spin the other blogs are putting on RPV, but I will not back down on calling out the faulty leadership.We have problems within our party guys, and to sit back and just accept people because they are already in power is NOT going to fix the problem. The above words from Lt. Governor Bill Bolling are absurd.This from a candidate who outspent Leslie Byrne, an abortion on demand, pro-union, pro-tax candidate, by 2-1....and we BARELY won. I mean come on, if this is the spokesman for RPV-that's another problem in itself. As far as his comment on Northern Virginia-he was part of the problem himself. If Chap Petersen had been on the ticket, we would have gotten creamed even more than we did in NOVA. You people have gone off your rockers, I mean come on. Regardless of what everyone thinks of me, I am a hard worker, and I have spoken to hundreds of voters in NOVA.This is simple logic-when we as a party nominate candidates who vote against Northern Virginia, and state "There is No Transportation Crisis" how can we expect to win the region? -WE CANT , and the voters will continue to be upset with out party. I will not accept these people as our leaders just because they have been annointed by a chosen few. We are going to continue to lose Northern Virginia if we put up people who don't know how to campaign up here. Bill Bolling as our nominee helped the defeat of Chris Craddock, John Mason, Michael Golden, Dick Black and others. If the loss in the 33rd wasn't a good indicator-than I ask Kate Obenshain Griffin, Bill Bolling, or any of these other "everything is fine" people-What Is a Good Indicator Then? A Gubernatorial Loss? A close win against a communist? A recount for AG? Losses in NOVA? Losses in 3 out of 4 Special Elections? Our party leadership continuing to stir up problems within the party? RPV can continue to spin themselves to everyone as they want, but I am tired of the spinning. ...and for gosh sakes, get someone else besides Bill Bolling to defend your credibility.


At 2/04/2006 10:03:00 PM, Blogger AWCheney said...

>"Anonymous said...
People of good will asked for the meeting tomorrow to discuss issues as we move forward. Kate honored the request. Clearly, others have alterior motives saying something "is" when it "is" not. These folks have revealed themselves. The time for being small and petty is past. The time for leaders to meet is tomorrow. Those who are small and petty will be exposed as just that. When hunting vampires, if you don't know who they are, set the trap and let them come to you first. They are exposed for all to see."

9:11 PM<

The above was a comment in an earlier post by Riley, "What my source in RPV is telling me....."

...and this was my response...
"'When hunting vampires, if you don't know who they are, set the trap and let them come to you first. They are exposed for all to see.'

I'm sure that I must have read more paranoid, threatening passages in the blogs...but they don't come to mind right at the moment. Anon. 9:11, if you speak for Kate Obenshain God help us. This sounds like the beginning of an intra-party witch hunt. I take it you are to be one of the inquisitors.

I have kept silent until now because I have always felt a very sentimental attachment to the entire Obenshain family and I could never imagine that anyone with Dick and Helen Obenshain as parents could ever do anything to harm the Republican Party out of arrogance and vindictiveness, but if Kate sanctions something like this then I really must be the fool and those calling for her resignation are right. It saddens me more than I can say.'"

I believe it's rather appropriate in this context as well.

At 2/05/2006 12:56:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least Bill WON his election. While the commentator here has worked hard for three straight losing candidates.

It may well be that the conservatives will have to cave, because sometimes you have to give in to the children, if you want to get anywhere. The question is whether the conservatives have the guts to turn the car around and cancel the vacation, or if they will give to the moderates and at least get to vacation SOMEWHERE, even if it isn't any good and it costs too much.

At 2/05/2006 01:00:00 AM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...


Afraid I have to disagree with your logic here. While I don't have the numbers here in front of me, I think I seem to remember Bill Bolling outpolled Jerry Kilgore. Most voters don't really make a decided decision on LG vs. Gov votes. In other words, if they are supporting a gubernatorial candidate, they will also tend to support the LG of the same party.

AG is a little different. The real responsibilities of the AG brings a more independent (of the Gubernatorial candidate) voting pattern. Thus we often see Republicans winning AG slots (Republicans are traditionally tough on law and order) even when the top part of the Republican ticket loses. Look at 2001 for example.

Now based on my logic this means Bill Bolling actually had to bring in a number of votes that Kilgore was unable to get. Meanwhile, Byrne was able to get a number of "coat-tail" votes of Kaine, but yet enough informed voters turned off of her liberalness in order for her to lose the LG slot.

I believe Bill Bolling actually won because of his conservative stance where Kilgore was never able to shore this up and therefore lost the top spot. Bolling actually did quite well to overcome Kaine's coat-tails and a depressed Republican turnout for Kilgore.

This doesn't have alot to do with Kate, and I'm certainly willing to consider changes if a good case can be made to replace, however, I believe the cases are much better for replacing local leadership, especially in NOVA based on the losses there.

At 2/05/2006 01:13:00 AM, Blogger criticallythinking said...


I know you like Chap, and hate Bolling, but Chap couldn't even beat Leslie, and he was in her own party.

And Deeds was supposedly conservative and couldn't beat McDonnell who was considered by many to be as conservative as Bolling.

Byrnes did well because Kaine did well, and democrats weren't in the mood for splitting tickets. In fact, Democrats are in a very good mood now to vote for democrats, which explains how they are kicking us up and down the aisle in special elections where all you have to do is get a few people to show up.

Meanwhile, the moderates have chosen to sit down for a while and see what happens. Since we have at least three republican senators who might as well be democrats on most issues, and whom the moderates seem to love, it could well be that the moderates are happy to have democrats representing them.

The one small bit of encouragement is that most of the democrats aren't all that HAPPY with the type of democrat they have to run to win these elections. As bad as the conservatives feel watching the candidates the moderates suggest are the salvation of our party, the liberal democrats must be fuming about the candidates they have to swallow locally and nationally.

In fact, the people that own the democrats are getting a bit upset. Several liberal groups are fighting the annointment of Casey Jr. in Pa, realising that it doesn't do any good to win the election if the guy will vote against them when he gets there.

And Howard Dean ignored Kaine's response to the SOTU in his first e-mail on the subject -- while liberal blogs are upset that Kaine was way too "conservative" for their tastes.

And with the democrat representatives trying to take the senate democrat seats at the SOTU to punish them for not being "democrat" enough, I think the dems will have a hard time holding THEIR coalition together long enough to get a majority, much less afterwards if they pull it off. Nothing demoralizes a base more than having a majority and being able to do NOTHING.

(PS: I have MORE trouble with the pattern recognition of letters on THIS blog than I do every single other blog I post to.)

At 2/05/2006 04:22:00 PM, Anonymous Chris Saxman said...

Like many in the GOP, I am frustrated with the recent string of losses. I cannot lay at the feet of Kate Obenshain Griffin any of those losses. She is a strong conservative and wonderful lady who is trying her level best to grow our majority.

If I were to fix blame anywhere it would be to myself. I have not worked as hard as I can or should. Kate has never appeared on a ballot and if she did, I think she would win.

What the team needs to do is stop going after moderates and conservatives within our own ranks and rally behind the ideas that make up our creed - that the free enterprise system is the most productive supplier of human needs and economic justice; that all individuals are entitled to equal rights, justice, and opportunities and should assume their responibilities as citizens in a free society; fiscal responsibility and budget restraint must be exercised at all levels; that peace is best preserved through a strong national defense; that faith in God, as recognized by our Founding Fathers, is essential to the moral fibre of the Nation.

We are making a classic organizational mistake by going after our elected leaders who are working very hard to build our majority. Grab an oar and start rowing!

Focus on the ideas that brought us to our majority. We are in a tough time because of events in Washington and Iraq, but I believe we are right to bring liberty and constitutional democracy to an area of the world that has only know oppression. We are right and they are wrong.

We need to recommit ourselves to the mission at hand. Go to door to door in every precinct and carry our message of hope and opportunity.

I support Kate. She is my leader and I will follow. We are a big party with great ideas for the future of the Commonwealth and the Nation. We are doing so many tremendous things here in Richmond and we need to spread the word. This cannot be done by attacking those who agree with us.

In a nutshell, here is my call - 1)focus on the task at hand 2) work together (we cannot possibly always agree with one another) 3) do not worry about taking credit for getting good things done 4) get un"stuck on stupid" - stop eating our own - there is work to be done.

At 2/05/2006 04:36:00 PM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...


Good post. I will buy. Hopefully everyone else will too.

At 2/05/2006 04:41:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

I don't buy.

Kate Griffin has been a devisive leader.

While I agree that the Democats in Virginia are ultra-lefties, we as Republicans are being hurt by her leadership.

The letters to the district chairs, the witchunting.

It's not needed, RPV should NOT be doing policy, but instead staying out of ALL primaries, and supporting whomever the candidate is.

They are not.

At 2/05/2006 06:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TC: knock it off. Kate Griffin is a principled leader. She is not going away. Perhaps those who think she is divisive have caused divisions themselves.

At 2/05/2006 07:53:00 PM, Blogger too conservative said...

good one anonymous, that'll show them.

At 2/06/2006 10:34:00 AM, Anonymous Rtwng Extrmst said...

"Witchhunting"? I see we have more gossip...

At 2/06/2006 12:46:00 PM, Blogger Involved said...

I think that the only leader we need to worry about eliminating right now would be Jim Rich, who has led the 10th district towards disaster.

At 2/07/2006 02:47:00 PM, Anonymous 10th District Conservative said...


you really could stand to read your own comments again and apply them to the 10th district race. It's NoVA that is pulling the state leftward and Jim Rich's "leadership" hasn't helped at all.

In fact, Rich has repeatedly sided with those who would practically eliminate our party's identity. He opposed efforts to keep democrats from selecting our candidates. He does his best to eliminate or, at best, weaken, resolutions coming out of the 10th, effectively muzzling the base.

This does not build a stronger party w/ more activists. Time to give someone else a turn, eh, TC?

At 2/07/2006 05:15:00 PM, Anonymous J said...

First TC I would like to point out that our party won 2 of the special elections not one. Second, before you place the blame to poeple you should understand a few things you seem to be missing about what happened it the state. Northern Virginia went through a huge shift to the left this year.

At 2/07/2006 05:21:00 PM, Anonymous J said...

Sorry I accidently hit enter.

No one predicted the shift would be that large. I know Kilgore's goal was to get 45% of Fairfax. Kate should not be blamed for something that no one could predict.

Since you claim to agree with Tom Davis so much I have a suggestion for you. Mabey you should receive some guidence from him because he is not trying to get rid of Kate.

It is time our party stops pointing the blame at other people and starts thinking about what more they could have done to make a difference.


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